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To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 12:56

I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

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User133847 · 14/03/2021 18:09

Not sure about the woman that was filmed being arrested, but she was not attending for the vigil!

She's an actress.

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 18:09

@BonnieDundee

So the police were punched, kicked and spat at.

I havent seen that reported. Do you have a link?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarah-everard-vigil-news-protest-police-b1816930.html

beyondtheshoe · 14/03/2021 18:09

@WannabeOT

Covid doesn't trump everything else. The world continues to turn.
such a selfish and self-centered statement when for many people, like it or not, Covid IS trumping everything else! Their livehood, their children's life and education, mental health, the medical treatments.

Lucky you if Covid is a mere inconvenience and you can selfishly ignore it.

wannadisc0 · 14/03/2021 18:10

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 18:11

@BonnieDundee Independent live stream

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LucieStar · 14/03/2021 18:11

Details in the Independent article online.

To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night
TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 14/03/2021 18:16

@DaphneDuBois

I agree with you, OP. We’re in lockdown and have been told not to gather in groups outside. Most of us are adhering to this but everyone in this crowd felt that they were exempt simply because they had an emotive reason to want to assemble with others. Covid doesn’t magically skip people who are there for a vigil, so why ignore very clear instructions to stop congregating?
Lockdown my fucking arse. All roads leading to the retail parks were rammed this weekend I noticed whilst working as a Community Nurse, I did not see any police officers dispersing the massive in Tesco fighting over bunches of Daffs.

Is it not about time we all got angry, REALLY ANGRY about the injustices we face for having a vagina? Stop hiding behind Covid ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

frasersmummy · 14/03/2021 18:19

the met police attacked women after dark in the place they originally thought a murdered woman had gone missing

The police did not attack women.. they responded to what they saw as an illegal and increasingly violent situation. Whether that response was justified is another matter .. but they did not "attack" anyone. And the reason it was after dark was because the incident started after dark.

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 18:19

I did not see any police officers dispersing the massive in Tesco fighting over bunches of Daffs.

The police probably weren't being spat at in Tesco.

BonnieDundee · 14/03/2021 18:20

The Met police say it happened. Has that been verified by anyone else? I didnt see any footage of that at all

If they were assaulted then that is disgusting but, it doesnt give them the.right right to assault anyone else

boredbuttercup · 14/03/2021 18:20

*such a selfish and self-centered statement when for many people, like it or not, Covid IS trumping everything else! Their livehood, their children's life and education, mental health, the medical treatments.

Lucky you if Covid is a mere inconvenience and you can selfishly ignore it.*

Except for many thousands of women male violence is trumping everything. For many young women especially were actually more likely to die at the hands of a man than of covid. It's not the covid is an inconvenience we can ignore, it's that misogyny is something we can't ignore despite the threat of covid - the threat of systematic misogyny and male violence is ever greater. I could just as easily say lucky you if covid is your only worry and you don't have to be scared for your life walking to and from work everyday. Except I'm not that much of a dick. No ones lucky to be scared of everything. But covid isn't the only thing that makes us unsafe and just because it's here doesn't mean other threats go away so we can't take a break from fighting against those threats either.

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 18:20

@BonnieDundee

The Met police say it happened. Has that been verified by anyone else? I didnt see any footage of that at all

If they were assaulted then that is disgusting but, it doesnt give them the.right right to assault anyone else

No but it does give them the right to arrest people, which is what they did.

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 14/03/2021 18:21

@LucieStar

I did not see any police officers dispersing the massive in Tesco fighting over bunches of Daffs.

The police probably weren't being spat at in Tesco.

You havent seen the folk in my local Tesco. I did not see the lady with the red hair being dragged away spit at a PO either.
DuncinToffee · 14/03/2021 18:24

@BonnieDundee

The Met police say it happened. Has that been verified by anyone else? I didnt see any footage of that at all

If they were assaulted then that is disgusting but, it doesnt give them the.right right to assault anyone else

It most likely happened but I doubt it was widespread seeing most people were wearing masks.
Rollmopsrule · 14/03/2021 18:24

It's lockdown. This was not a vigil and even if it was it shouldn't have taken place. Crowds such as these are potential very volatile and dangerous and the police have a hard job to do in very difficult circumstances. Even the family didn't want it to go ahead. I think every person there is being disrespectful to Sarah's family.

BonnieDundee · 14/03/2021 18:25

No but it does give them the right to arrest people, which is what they did.

Are you actually defending what those police officers did to that woman in pinning her down? Is that appropriate restraint?

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 18:25

I did not see the lady with the red hair being dragged away spit at a PO either.

Well no. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen, does it?

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 18:25

@TangoWhiskyAlphaTango but she was clearly ignoring the police officer who was asking her to move on.

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LucieStar · 14/03/2021 18:25

@BonnieDundee

No but it does give them the right to arrest people, which is what they did.

Are you actually defending what those police officers did to that woman in pinning her down? Is that appropriate restraint?

I didn't comment on use of restraint - I said if the police are assaulted they have every right to make arrests.

LexMitior · 14/03/2021 18:27

[quote BarometerTV]@SmidgenofaPigeon have I? People are blaming the actions of one terrible police officer on all police officers. That’s stereotyping and it’s wrong.[/quote]
Is there not quite a few searching questions to be asked of the Met as to prior offending, mental stability and access to weapons, plus a failure to arrest the suspect after indecent exposure.

The police have made a mess of this and manhandling women which is dead easy to do just shows how tone deaf they are to women.

Members of the public may act like idiots. The police are given powers over you on the basis they are professional people, not a bunch of reactive fools.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 14/03/2021 18:28

@BarometerTV

So the police were punched, kicked and spat at...people went with pre meditated banners - is that what you do at a vigil??
Im just gonna say it - this is an occupational hazard of choosing to be in a dangerous profession and storming into a peaceful protest heavy handed. Maybe they got more than they bargained for when women fought back.
JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 14/03/2021 18:29

@Whatafustercluck

The thing about Dick's statement is that it merely serves to illustrate the massive inconsistencies and double standards applied throughout Covid to policing illegal gatherings. If you're a group of football supporters or anti maskers you can gather, and police will facilitate your safety. If you're a woman, forget it.
Yes exactly. HOW can people not see the very clear institutional misogyny in the Met Police? And if you think a woman being at the helm makes it less sexist then I have new for you - women can be misogynists too
BonnieDundee · 14/03/2021 18:29

I didn't comment on use of restraint - I said if the police are assaulted they have every right to make arrests

Out of interest do you think what they did to her was proportionate?

Dorsetdays · 14/03/2021 18:30

My 26yo old niece was there as she lives locally. However she left once the ‘protestors’ arrived determined to change what had been a peaceful vigil into something entirely different which is when the police intervened (her words).

She went home and lit a candle on her doorstep instead (as did we). Something the original organisers had asked for.

Apparently Sarah’s own family had also specifically asked for this not to go ahead. People should have respected that.

These people did not demonstrate in my name or on my behalf.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 14/03/2021 18:31

Covid IS trumping everything else! Their livehood, their children's life and education, mental health, the medical treatments.

So (rightly) angry women can't hold a peaceful vigil over a murdered woman because someone else is struggling with COVID? Away to fuck