Although... I kind of hope they do, and the Tories end up as tainted, despised and scorned as they did in the 90s.
Same
But that said I have emailed my Mp about this
It's an absolutely appalling, oppressive and controlling piece of potential legislation
@Mooda did you honestly expect kier to be a decent, socialist leaning labour leader? With his background?
If Labour merely abstain then what is the point of them
They need to go too, they no longer represent the people they are supposed to, we need a new party that represents the working class and otherwise disenfranchised
This terrifies me. We are truly sleepwalking to a police state
Absolutely.
I expect the next elections will be cancelled “for your safety.”
Apparently plans are for postal votes are to be abolished and photo ID will be required - to prevent non existent voting fraud!
I'm disabled and housebound, I have no passport as it's bloody expensive to have when I can't afford holidays, and I don't have a license at the moment as for several years I was on meds that meant I couldn't drive and now I can't afford a car either.
It also means my parents wouldn't be able to vote, so as they are over 70 and would statistically age wise be more likely to vote Tory they could slightly be shooting themselves in the Foot though I suspect they have crunched the numbers and this is not much of an issue.
I've found that almost no one I know had heard this bill was coming, and most people seem totally unaware of the damage this will do to our democracy.
Same - the appalling lack of ethical journalism in this country in the msm is a Fucking disgrace
I've just heard on radio that Labour is going to vote against the Bill.
Really hope it's true, not holding my breath
The hypocrisy and stupidity of Priti Patel is beyond a joke.
Hypocrite, dangerous, vile even yes, stupid? Far from unfortunately
Met shouldn't have even been at that vigil imo- whole other thread which I am on
I suspect that workers rights will be next er hello brexit already started that
This has been in the making for approximately 20 I'd say over 40
I would urge those of you who are against this and haven't already to email your mps now - of whatever party. Mine is snp but is a good man and I would be very surprised if he supported this or even abstained, but it's still good to contact them
What else can we do?
I'd like to know this too, what stage is the bill at has it been to the lords yet?
Just checked, it's not gone to the lords yet so I'm thinking to email lords although I have no idea who - anyone more informed able to say
In bold so anyone who knows the answer can see the question
I was deeply impressed by the way they handled the maternity bill mess
Are we not coming to an end of lockdown with restrictions easing somewhat in April?
If you believe that I have a tower in London to sell you or possibly magic beans...
The pandemic is a convenient excuse.
At this point it's impossible to avoid Godwin's law!
The nazis used the excuse of a failing economy, this govt is using the pandemic similarly
@mellongoose I can't link the pdf but you can access it and read the details here
bills.parliament.uk/bills/2839
Part 3 "public order" which is on p56 is the most relevant portion
I'm summarising but basically any gathering that is deemed to be noisy, inconvenient or disruptive will be outlawed and those found guilty may receive custodial sentences - British citizens will literally be political prisoners
The levels of noise etc they are talking about are fairly minimal - about the level you'd get in a busy high street on a normal Saturday for comparative purposes
It IS in real terms banning all physical, in person protesting
But then it appears your "naïveté" was not real!
Keir starmer shouldn't need "political nous" to have understood what a shit bill this is - he was a senior lawyer ffs!
@MercyBooth excellent quote
People will snap when pushed into a corner, however placid they were until that point
Seems to me that it could potentially put people off organising any kind of protest through the fear of prosecution.
Which is precisely the point
have you read the Policy Paper?
And that's a lazy and patronising way to argue against people who hold a different opinion to you
So is using one VERY small - and contradictory - part of that document to try and claim the rest of it doesn't matter!
And drop the use of misogynist and outdated insults too please
@bourbonic what it was in response to is largely irrelevant, it's the future effects which matter
And frankly nothing ever really changes without some disruption and damage to the status quo
Do you think suffragettes or anti apartheid or anti racism or jarrow marchers or anyone who protested for civil liberties throughout the 20th century and even in the 19th century were out of order for their actions? (Which were often a lot more "disruptive" than modern protests)
Shameful attitude to have - particularly if you're someone who has benefitted from the rights those people gained for oppressed groups
I have no real issue with it. As much as I support people's right to protest
You're contradicting yourself right there
@Frazzled2207 don't lose heart, just because someone hasn't reacted on fb doesn't mean they're unconcerned and inactive, I tend to not be political on my fb mainly as I have poor mh and in the past it's led to me being harassed online (I have since tightened my privacy settings but fb are constantly messing with these) but I do discuss these things with people privately and I do what I can in other ways
@Icantreachthepretzels another great quote thank you
I did really think that fundamentally Johnson was a libertarian
Genuine question - why did you think that? He's never come across that way to me
What on earth are they planning that they want to prevent our rights to protest?
This is what concerns me too, and by "govt" I include all parties, I can't help but think Labour at least know exactly why they're doing it and aren't saying
@MercyBooth that the thread I'm on too? I'm deeply suspicious of that poster and have reported