To think the porn culture has a lot to do with societal misogyny?

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And due to the millions of pounds made from this industry, it won't be curbed or restricted by the powers that be? It seems blatantly obvious to me that young teenage boys/men/deviants viewing readily available and mostly violent porn promotes objectifying and disrespect for women.

It is 100% a more extreme, degrading, coercive, violent form of porn that is mainstream now than ever before.

And viewing it from a young age couldn't not have an effect on values.

@Campervan69

Absolutely agree. So glad I don't have daughters. The expectations placed upon them because of this constant exposure to hard core pornography is horrendous. Its a terrible time to be growing up female.

I agree too. I do have daughters, and I am afraid for them. They are 13 and 16, and I have actually found myself feeling grateful (for the eldest in particular) that they have just had a year at home, a year longer to be a child and run around a field with the dog. There is no societal push to end pornography, because so many men use it and so many women either support that or think “all men use porn”, I have seen that so often on here. I was watching an old WILTY with my daughters the other evening and an advert for Love Honey came up that gave me a shock, far too adult to be there on a family type show , yet there it was. The creeping normalisation of porn, this world where a year or so back teen Vogue - a magazine for children essentially as older teens read normal Vogue- had a “how to” article on anal sex. I honestly think that the seventies and eighties, when I was a teenager, were better for girls than now.

YANBU. Porn sites depend on the exploitation of women and girls. It depends on it and it feeds it. When women and girls are used and treated in the way they are on mainstream sites which young people have widespread access to then it feeds back into society. I think this is also reflected in the growing reports of violent behaviours during sex like choking and hitting and women are expected to go along and indeed profess to enjoying their own degradation for fear of being too vanilla (used to be frigid). I worry that it is only going to get worse.

"The Children of Pornhub
Why does Canada allow this company to profit off videos of exploitation and assault?

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Yet there’s another side of the company: Its site is infested with rape videos. It monetizes child rapes, revenge pornography, spy cam videos of women showering, racist and misogynist content, and footage of women being asphyxiated in plastic bags. A search for “girls under18” (no space) or “14yo” leads in each case to more than 100,000 videos. Most aren’t of children being assaulted, but too many are."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html

"OTTAWA - More than 100 survivors of sexual exploitation along with hundreds of non-governmental organizations are urging Ottawa to pursue a “full criminal investigation” into Pornhub's parent company.
In a letter to the House of Commons ethics committee this week, the coalition asked the federal government to push for a police probe into MindGeek, which they accuse of violating child protection laws and sharing intimate images without consent."

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/survivors-ngos-call-for-criminal-investigation-into-pornhub-parent-mindgeek-1.1572212

Yes and no. Misogyny and male violence has been here in its severest forms long before porn was widely accessible on the internet. But easily accessible porn definitely affects young men and how they view sex and women

The use of it is a problem in schools. I would be a lot happier if schools had the ability to suspend, and thereafter expel those who do any of the following

A) making sexual comments
B) possessing pornography in school

If that was implemented then I think it would do a lot for the respect between the sexes. It would improve.

There is a standard of behaviour that should be expected. And yet at the stage when both sexes are expected to be interested in sex and need guidance, this is being confined to classroom and not a societal expectation.

OP, I agree 100% and then some.

Everyone should listen to Jon Ronson's Butterfly Effect on Audible, if you can. What I like about Jon Ronson is he's not some investigative journalist out to attack porn. I would! I'd have a totally different approach. I am vehemently anti-porn. But his agenda isn't that. It's just an unbiased view of the butterfly effect Pornhub/free online porn has had on the industry itself, on society, etc. It's not so much a 'see, I told you so!' which would totally be my stance- I am quite angry about the effect rampant porn use is having on society and how we normalise this. It affects everything. Free online porn has been a disastrous game changer. But Jon Ronson is fair, which pisses me off at times but also makes it an even worthier listen. It's a nuts and bolts analysis: This is the guy who created porn hub and this is the result of that. The follow up to this, Last Days of August, is really disturbing. The reality is, those young women are predominantly drugged up and coerced into doing scenes against their wishes. If they try and go against the system and speak up, they don't get paid for their day's work. They are surrounded by people who 'adore' and 'support' them until she speaks up. Then, as soon as she speaks up about feeling abused on set, her pseudo-supporters scatter and hide behind the producers and directors keeping them employed. It's a sad, sad, sad existence. They only like you while you're making money.
Interestingly enough, one of the porn actors Ronson interviews extensively is Mercedes Carrera- she is now awaiting trial on child sex abuse charges involving a ten-year-old female. Porn is created by sick fucks and porn turns decent people into sick fucks. It becomes 'not enough' to get off on, normalised to the point where your nice son and mine will think that strangulation, gagging, rough anal, bondage is normal. BDSM exists for those who consent to that sexual lifestyle. If you want to chain up a pink elephant and butt-fuck it to Nirvana and back, and that pink elephant wholly consents, go crazy. Do your thing. But the assumption in this day and age is that young women are expected to be sexually assaulted and to see this as 'healthy sex'. Easy access to free online is like nothing we have encountered before. This is not your dad's Playboy hidden behind the piano.

Maybe we should have a more controlled internet?

And just to add, societal misogyny is as old as time.
What free online porn/Pornhub has done is totally unshackled the flimsy moral checks and balances that were previously in place. Misogyny is now rampantly mainstream.
When your husband is wanking to a bound and gagged woman on Pornhub, he can 'compartmentalise' and excuse the fuck out of that behaviour. He can consider it a bloke thing that doesn't even touch the parameters of his 'family guy' lifestyle. But don't worry, there are loads of nice guys out there deluding themselves and perpetuating misogyny at the same time while raising daughters. It's 'normal'.

I sometimes feel like a relic from the Victorian age. When I was growing up having anal sex was a criminal offence.

But the assumption in this day and age is that young women are expected to be sexually assaulted and to see this as 'healthy sex'. Easy access to free online is like nothing we have encountered before. This is not your dad's Playboy hidden behind the piano.
Agreed. And on any threads on porn there is always someone who pops up to say that porn has been around for hundreds of years. No, it hasn't. Not in the nauseating, always available way it is now. This is completely different and we are the first human beings to experience the effects of 24 hour access to extreme pornography. No wonder women-hating is so prevalent.

@TeaAndStrumpets

I sometimes feel like a relic from the Victorian age. When I was growing up having anal sex was a criminal offence.

When I was growing up in the 80s I felt like it was seen as a homosexual activity, not a hetero one.

And I remember during sex education in school, one boy not knowing what it was.

But easily accessible porn definitely affects young men and how they view sex and women

Absolutely. But this problem is not exclusive to young men.

YANBU

Marshmallow it certainly has been a shockingly rapid change.

Who in the UK allows porn to damage our children? Which government department is sitting on its hands??

Misogyny, prostitution and pornography probably predate writing, but the internet is propagating and normalising violent sex against women, rape, underage sex in a way that is damaging to both men and women. So many threads on here about men's lack of real sex drive as they can't get the high they get from porn.

I’m older and so out of the loop on this. I didn’t realise things were so awful. So depressing. What can concerned parents/ humans DO?

So many threads on here about men's lack of real sex drive as they can't get the high they get from porn.

IVF clinics are rubbing their hands with glee. I saw it all the time at my place of employment.
"We conceived DC1 in the blink of an eye. I'm 32. DH is 34 and 5 years on, we're still struggling to conceive DC2... apart from the very small, teeny tiny issue that we don't talk about- the elephant in the room-DH's ED, I can't for the life of me understand why I am considered to have 'unexplained infertility."
Hmm, I bet Fabian Thylmann knows why.

I was actually discussing this issue with DH yesterday. We both agree accessible violent porn is causing a massive issue with children. I think many of them see it at a very young age too. You only have to look on the first page of any porn website and most of the titles are degrading to women. It’s horrendous but as you said OP, nothing will change because of all the money it makes. Personally I think adults should pay to watch, preferably with a credit card to prove they are old enough.

Who in the UK allows porn to damage our children? Which government department is sitting on its hands??

The Internet is a pretty much lawless: an anarchic frontier. There's shitloads of profit but very little accountability. Anything and everything goes. There are very few checks and balances in place. And if you want to bypass those few checks and balances, there's always Tor!

Agree. It's shocking. It's not just porn, it's endemic in all aspects of culture. The Cardi B WAP song is horrific. Plastic lips, butt implants, fashion, fitness wear culture (tight pale leggings with seams to accentuate everything), trying to look like a Barbie doll, photo filtering, ASOS photos with girls kneeling down in submissive positions, even weather girl outfits, Daily Mail sidebar of shame with the images of girls in next to nothing. These girls don't have the power at all. They are treated like a commodity. The worse thing is that girls encourage each other to dress like this.

Hexagon yes! You stuffed it all into the bag of cold hard reality! Absolutely agree with everything you've written. Pornography has become the 'go-to' look for young women nowadays. From pop stars to online shopping, this is the look peddled to girls and women.

I was a model in the late 80s up to the year 2002. I started out modelling for magazines like Teen, Seventeen, Sassy (this was in the States). If I think about what my 'ideal' of beauty was compared to what's being rammed down girls' throats now- literally. I feel beyond troubled. It was flawed in my day, our perception of beauty. Objectification of females is always going to be debatable. I often felt angry and hypocritical about my job objectifying women and promoting an impossible ideal of health and beauty to other women. "You too can be 5'10" and size 0". So damaging. So unrealistic and dangerous. But today's girl is facing something that is damaging on an exponential scale. In my day, it was 'stay skinny'. For girls now, it is entirely about how fuckable they look and are. You've got to look fuckable, have 'suck my dick' lips, and an ass ready for anal, all before the age of 18. My words are lacerating and disgusting. Unfortunately, I am writing what exists, what our young women face, on top of every other fucking thing they have to deal with because they are female. Women are at one of the most confusing times I have ever witnessed.
On the one hand, we rage, rightly so, against female genital mutilation. On the other hand, women are mutilating themselves into a 'porn star' ideal. It has become the look of relevance. Never before have I seen women so ready to pander to misogyny. You can't do this AND holler #Metoo and mean it.

Yes it does. Sometging I really struggle with is believing women can be sexual and do what they want. Then the women who work in porn for example only fans or conventional porn who just make themselves look like a serotype of a sex women. Often having expensive and dangerous surgery to get there. I feel like it's giving men what they want and actually juat supports the notion women are sex objects.

Obviously the buck stops with men who watch and pay for this. But I do sort of wish there wasn't the suppy. I wish women knew better. But then it's really linked to capitalism and exploitation of labour as they're doing it because you can earn more than many jobs.

Anyway it makes me feel like I'm a bad feminist. But for me yes it does fule misogyny.

@TheVanguardSix
I use tiktok and I think there's a lot of truth in taht go to look in very young women. The number of terrible lip filler jobs I see! I also wonder how much it all costs.
No wonder they all need to start only fans pages.

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