To love the word outwith

[en0la]

I think it's a great word which is grossly underused outside its native Scotland.

In fact I could say I've gotten rather fond of it.

“It was only in the last year or so I discovered outwith was a predominantly Scottish word”

I was at uni... in a lecture, she was talking about Scots words.

I thought I was fairly aware of them, there’s the obvious ones like wee and aye, then there are slightly subtler ones like juice not meaning the same thing and that English people don’t shoogle babies or prams...

And then she said outwith and the entire lecture theatre went what? In unison, lol

Scotland here and use outwith regularly:
Outwith the parameters
Outwith the scope of
Etc

@tabulahrasa yes juice, and diluting juice, I forgot those ones. Another regional one is calling fizzy juice "ginger".

Heard "outwith" being used on the radio this morning. The National Clinical Director (I think is his title), was talking about the Coronavirus restrictions, and how it was against the rules to travel outwith your Council Area for recreation or excercise purposes.

@chergar @tabulahrasa

Would you like a glass of ginger? = fizzy juice of any kind
Would you like a drink? = alcohol

A 'chap at the door" does not mean a gentleman caller but that someone has knocked the door or rung the bell.

Snib = door lock
Skelf = splinter
Chute = slide
Jag = vaccination

It’s the ones where you really have to think... what is the English word for that?

Like the shows, is that a fair or do I need to be more specific? will people think I mean a fete type thing so it’s only funfair? Because showground and fairground I think are the same.

And what is the alternative to shoogle - it’s not a shake and it’s not rocking... so what do I say?

Or ones where you need a whole sentence to replace it, instead of... chum me to the shop? You have to go, I’m going to the shop, do you want to come with me?...

@tabulahrasa shoogle is a great word. And I agree trying to find and English equivalent never does it justice. Right up there with

Stramash
Stooshie
Coorie-in
Bidie-in
Shioogly peg

Shoogle is a cross between shake and wobble I think, a wobbly/shoogly tooth but yes it doesn't really sound right wobble/shake a baby.

The Shows - it's like a travelling funfair/carnival but I would say it about Blackpool pleasure beach as well

I love the word clipe - meaning telling tales/grassing up

A strange Scots word much loved by Scots lawyers.

@GintyMcGinty coorie-in is one I say all the time

“The Shows - it's like a travelling funfair/carnival but I would say it about Blackpool pleasure beach as well“

I always end up going, funfair? Really tentatively because I’m not sure it’s right, lol, I mean not that going to the shows comes up regularly tbh... but I used it as an example because I always struggle with exactly what the right word is. I wouldn’t use carnival because then I’d be thinking Leeds or Nottinghill type carnival.

...but 5.45 is closer to 6pm than it is 5pm, so that would be just before 6. Or do you mean that it can't be after 5 o'clock until it's 6???

That's basically exactly what I'm saying! In that obviously 5pm is 5pm, and 5.01 is after 5, but 'the back' of 5 sounds to me like the end of the hour of 5, when it's almost over, so nearly 5pm. Like if it was a bus and the front was 5pm and the back was 5.59pm. I'm confusing myself now...

I appreciate I'm wrong btw! I was just saying I've never heard it, wouldn't know what it meant, and if I had to guess would have got it very wrong!

Bollox - so nearly 5pm should say so nearly 6 pm!!

Ah, this thread is making me a little homesick/nostalgic!

"I'll be home the back of 9!"

"That's basically exactly what I'm saying! In that obviously 5pm is 5pm, and 5.01 is after 5, but 'the back' of 5 sounds to me like the end of the hour of 5, when it's almost over, so nearly 5pm. Like if it was a bus and the front was 5pm and the back was 5.59pm. I'm confusing myself now..."

I think I get your point but... no If you kept someone waiting till close to 6 when they'd said the back of 5 they'd be very pissed off.

I always used outwith professionally for things like “outwith the scope of this report” or “outwith the confines of the site”. In England but had a Scottish boss so maybe that’s why I always got those reports to write.

Also love, and use, peely wally, glaekit, dreich,bahooky

Guddle is my favourite! Parenthood involves lots of guddling

I've never heard 'outwith' before, but after this thread I think I understand it's meaning! I'm not Scottish/don't have many Scottish connections and it's not something said in my part of the NE England. I do like it though!

now wondering how I can shoehorn it into my paperwork at the end of the shift and into my essays etc for my training 😂

Marless is a word that doesn't have a simple equivalent in English. It means a pair of things which don't match.
A cat with one blue eye and one green eye has marless eyes.
You can wear marless socks.

@MrsMathers
I use 'snib' meaning lock/latch. I've heard it used for nose but personally don't use it that way.

Don’t get me started on, the back of half past which I’ve been known to use 😬

I'm loving these!
I call that "snib" thing a "sneck". You put the sneck on the door.

I'm in NE England and have only known Scottish people use outwith. It's an amazing word, I always comment on it.

Snib is more commonly called sneck here, and also used for nose.