To be more disappointed with misogynist women

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Than misogynist men??

I find myself feeling intensely more disappointed with women who try dissociate themselves form women issues and dismiss them only so they can fit in their misogynist surrounding

Than I feel anger towards misogynist men.. for some reason I feel like I have very little hope in men doing the right thing if they’re toxic but to see women enabling them to reach higher ranks in society is really upsetting

It’s just that I expect a lot better from women when it comes to sisterhood and feeling some sort of compassion for each other or at least indifference.. but it takes special type of effort for a woman to treat another woman’s pain as invisible..

It just all seems spiteful and deliberate

@LolaSmiles

I don't agree with lots of women or men but that doesn't make me misogynistic' Has anyone said that disagreeing with a woman is misogyny? It's possible to disagree with a woman without being misogynistic. That's where most day to day debates fall.

It's all part of the binary culture that denuanced societies descend into.

Don't agree with X ? You must be Y.

Continue until no word has any meaning.

The problem as I see it, is this leads to an unholy winner-takes-all- approach to any issue, where there is only extremism. If one faction can't get their way, then it's not worth engaging.

I was making the point (maybe quite clumsily) that the misogynistic is used too easily and that women who disagree the narrative are not misogynistic

@twelly

I was making the point (maybe quite clumsily) that the misogynistic is used too easily and that women who disagree the narrative are not misogynistic

A working and consistent definition of "misogyny" might be a good starting point. Even this thread shows, it means all things to all women.

That is a fair point , however it is used as a insult akin to bigot and therefore I guess although not totally certain that is is viewed by all as a negative slur

@Labobo

That's it exactly. They got to where they got to by behaving the way men always have. 100% dedication to work. One of them was very open about this. She said women simply don't get it. Loved Cheryl sanderberg's lean but said it didn't go far enough. Basically work should never be expected to bend around life. She was on the women in property board. Makes me really doubt that these bodies are a load of rubbish and part of the problem as the women on them just don't get it.

@LadyfromtheBelleEpoque

I think our power was obvious at that vigil yesterday when we got good and mad and refused to be bullied by a police who still tell us it's the way we dress, or we're out too late, or we made him angry.
It's the women who pluck up the courage to leave when he raises a hand again, and those who support them.
It's the women who remember the sacrifices our mothers and their mothers made to vote, work a wage, and for birth control, and teach their young daughters about that struggle so they understand they may have to fight for it again.
It's the mothers who teach their girls not to allow anyone to reduce them to the parts of their body, and teach sons they're either part of the problem or the solution.

It's the women who understand the fight needs ALL women who will join, and that means opening our eyes, ears, and hearts to their pain of racism.
Its the women who choose to find common cause with other women instead of tearing them down.
Its the women who speak truth over lies and NOT hate and opinion, and don't use our silence to allow others to do it..
It's the women who don't gaslight other women.
It's the women who will march, and make phone calls, and complain and disrupt until we're heard, and we pick better leaders who fight for us, so we don't have to every time we get on a damn bus, or walk to the shops.

Our contributions can be big or small but it starts with our thinking and our attitude. If we're not prepared to do our work like marching, getting arrested, going to jail - basically the civil rights play book - to stop misogyny then our daughters will have to do it and pay a bigger price.

@DeepThinkingGirl
Thank you. I try and do so many of those things in my daily life - I just feel something diminishing. I agree that unfortunately the pitting of woman against woman has never felt more pronounced.

@twelly

I was making the point (maybe quite clumsily) that the misogynistic is used too easily and that women who disagree the narrative are not misogynistic

I agree with this.

We don't hate ourselves, for a start.

I don’t really understand what the OP means. What is a misogynist woman? What are the “women issues” we are talking about and what constitutes dissociating oneself from them? What is the proposed compassion supposed to look like as an alternative? So it’s hard to say much about this!

I think that expecting all women to think and behave the same way is an offshot of misogynistic thinking. It does not give credit to the wide variety of experiences women have. People tutting about the sisterhood and not giving credit to the fact that we are not a borg collective who all think the same way pisses me off.

Women can be wrong. Men can be wrong. However, appartently women all have to stick together, behave as a hive mind an if we don't someone somewhere will take that as evidence that whatever argement a women is making is invalid.

We allow men to disagree all the time. Women are not afforded that luxuary and I think it's harmful to discourse and to women.

@ATieLikeRichardGere

I don’t really understand what the OP means. What is a misogynist woman? What are the “women issues” we are talking about and what constitutes dissociating oneself from them? What is the proposed compassion supposed to look like as an alternative? So it’s hard to say much about this!

I'm assuming the types of women who don't rail about men and dare to give the NAMAlT campaign some credit.

I cannot imagine that all the Tory party members who supported the misogynist Boris Johnson were men, so get the OPs point.

However, blaming a few misogynistic women will not solve the issue, the overwhelming majority of misogynists are men.

I'm not being funny or confrontational, I see women speaking about this a lot recently on here, less so in real life. However, and I'm sure I will be labelled as internally misogynistic for saying this, I have never ever felt less than equal to men. Ever.

Someone above thread said that women think they have got where they are in life by their own merits but it's actually because of men . I don't know if this poster was speaking in general or their personal experience but I certainly haven't gotten where I am in life today with the help of a man at all.

In work I've always been treated equal to men, paid equal to men for the same job and treated with respect.

In normal life I have felt more threatened, fearful and intimidated by certain women and have been attacked by two in my life and threatened by many. I have never been attacked or threatened by any man.

I may be missing the point but that's my experience. And so whilst people might label me as someone who offends men, I can't help that it's just my lived experience which makes it harder to emphasise.

Sorry, *defends men that should read.

I find the OP very controlling.

They’re both bad bad as each other. There’s a lot of internalised misogyny around- just look at that insulting tweet from Davina McCall.

@blameitontheweatherperson

I'm not being funny or confrontational, I see women speaking about this a lot recently on here, less so in real life. However, and I'm sure I will be labelled as internally misogynistic for saying this, I have never ever felt less than equal to men. Ever.

Someone above thread said that women think they have got where they are in life by their own merits but it's actually because of men . I don't know if this poster was speaking in general or their personal experience but I certainly haven't gotten where I am in life today with the help of a man at all.

In work I've always been treated equal to men, paid equal to men for the same job and treated with respect.

In normal life I have felt more threatened, fearful and intimidated by certain women and have been attacked by two in my life and threatened by many. I have never been attacked or threatened by any man.

I may be missing the point but that's my experience. And so whilst people might label me as someone who offends men, I can't help that it's just my lived experience which makes it harder to emphasise.

Coming from someone who had a horrendous experience at the hands of women in a workplace, I agree.

Lots of women rely on misogny. Lots of women made a career out of being misognystic parodies, funnily enough that's OK though cause they're women.