The vigil for Sarah Everard should be allowed to go ahead, just as the BLM protests were.

[Damnrightwrong]

I'm frankly appalled that the police are opposing the vigil, it wasn't so long ago that people were flocking to central London in their thousands to protest on behalf of black lives matter.

Black lives do matter, and women's lives do too.

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@Damnrightwrong 100 million % agree with you. Pleased to see (from the poll results,) that the majority of people agree too.

It's a disgrace to stop the protests, when no-one stopped the #blm ones. It speaks volumes actually.

I am hoping there shall be smaller vigils that I can attend

I support this as I support the BLM marches because regardless of the pandemic at times people need to gather together collectively for the message to be taken seriously

@ChonkyChook

Police - institutionally racist. Police - killing women. Both literally and through inaction.

BLM had male protesters as well as women.
They're not worried about women protesting when told not too.

Black Lives Matter.
Women's Lives Matter.

Cops just looking after their own. Don't give a shit about murdered women

This is not that time. If ONE person contracts COVID and dies as a result of this protest, then you are spitting on her memory. I can't believe this is what she would want

OMG. You actually think this when women are dying at a rate of 2 a week at the hands of men. Well fuck.

@AnyFucker

“Spitting on her memory” ?

Who the fuck do you think you are to accuse people of that ? Your sanctimony is appalling to witness.

The minute that you decide that your right to break the law and risk other people lives, then that is what you are doing. Not sanctimonious. Fact. Tell me that you know for a fact that she and her family would willingly risk the life of one other person to hold an illegal protest. If I hear that, I'll turn up myself. But putting other people at risk during a pandemic is irresponsible and stupid. Sanctimony is people ignoring rational reason simply to demonstrate righteous rage.

@thenightsky

This is not that time. If ONE person contracts COVID and dies as a result of this protest, then you are spitting on her memory. I can't believe this is what she would want

OMG. You actually think this when women are dying at a rate of 2 a week at the hands of men. Well fuck.

Well women are dying at a much higher rate of Covid! Presumably that doesn't matter.

Intelligence clearly isn't critical on this matter. Do what you want. Break the law. Put innocent people - women- at risk. You aren't making any of this about her. It's about you.

i can't believe this is what she would want

How can you possibly know this? You have absolutely no idea what that poor murdered woman would have wanted in relation to these vigils. Did you know her? That argument is despicable.

I’m confused by this thread. Their Twitter seems to be saying they are happy with the judgement and they are working with the met for it to go ahead?

Pretty sure she would prefer to be alive and not the victim of male violence.

twitter.com/ReclaimTS/status/1370457613364826113?s=20

Please stop it comparing it to BLM for goodness sake. You can make a point without having to do that. But I’m glad that there is movement, enough is enough.

I’m not too sure if this is a battle I want to have , right now

The gathering won’t change anything , it will comfort people and show solidarity certainly
But to change this insidious issue other things are needed.
Someone must have had their suspicions about this man
He can’t have just suddenly did this out of the blue

The issue is other men not calling on this behaviour. And a societal blind eye to toxic aggressive behaviour

I don't think that the BLM protests were "allowed" as such, it's just that the police knew that they didn't have the manpower to stop them. It would also have looked bad in the circumstances and given racial tensions. Obviously there's little chance of this vigil turning into riots so I can imagine that the Met are feeling less concerned about their capabilities to stop it.

This cause does in my view have more moral force than the BLM ones though. It happened in the UK, to a woman who had done nothing wrong. More to the point, the suspect is a police officer who should already have been suspended and relieved of his warrant card following the indecent exposure allegation. Had the Met taken that as seriously as they should have, he could not have used said warrant card to give her a false sense of security and lure her into his car. As it's the Met who by proxy have blood on their hands, this case is far more relevant to the UK than something which happened in the US.

The Met ought to issue a statement saying that they recognise the strength of feeling and advising people to take car, socially distance etc. Thus implying that they won't be taking any action against peaceful protestors, and at the same time avoiding explicit endorsement of people breaching covid guidelines.

@PurpleDaisies

i can't believe this is what she would want

How can you possibly know this? You have absolutely no idea what that poor murdered woman would have wanted in relation to these vigils. Did you know her? That argument is despicable.

And neither do you. And so it's yours. You are putting the lives of people now living before one that had been tragically lost. And don't care. There is no reasoning with people here. You don't care about anyone except yourselves.

I’m confused by this thread. Their Twitter seems to be saying they are happy with the judgement and they are working with the met for it to go ahead? Quite rightly the judge is in favour of the protest going ahead, so long as people adhere to CV guidance re distancing and mask wearing. However the Met and various other Police forces have warned the public against attending the protests in person or be fined. Take from that what you will.

I don’t hold a strong opinion because I really can see the argument on both sides.

I would struggle to see both sides though if I were in Glasgow, after the leniency shown to a football mob last week.

In light of that disgrace and the police’s handling of it, a Glasgow vigil is certainly justified.

RIP Sarah 🌹

And neither do you. And so it's yours.

Please go back through the thread and quote where I have said this is what Sarah Everard wanted. I have never made any such claims. You said you couldn’t believe she would have wanted these vigils. Disgusting use of her death to make a point.

You are putting the lives of people now living before one that had been tragically lost. And don't care. There is no reasoning with people here. You don't care about anyone except yourselves.

Go and look at the covid outbreaks that happened after the Black Lives Matter protests. There weren’t any.

I care very much about the lives of women. That’s why people should be allowed to gather outdoors in a socially distanced way, exactly that same as for the BLM protests, which is very low risk.

Rest in peace Sarah. I can’t imagine the suffering she went through and the suffering her family is going through.

The BLM protests shouldn't have been allowed. These shouldn’t either.
This isn’t a vigil and is becoming very far removed from the poor woman who died.
It won’t end up socially distant. It just won’t.
Maybe they’ve learnt from hindsight. Maybe they’ve been told as we finally have the vaccine and are on the edge of freedom not to fuck it up now.
Nobody needs to meet in a park to contribute to a vigil. Do it at home.

I was on the fence but now that the police and High Court have effectively said that women cannot go to a public place on Saturday evening I will be going and taking the dds too. We are quite entitled to have a walk in the evening on common land and a police force that brings women in to question them for non-existent hate crimes can f**k off until they start centring women (adult human females) in all their decisions and actions.

But we live in a police state. Our rights have been taken away

Completely ridiculous. Compare life in the UK to an actual police state. This kind of melodrama and nonsence is the reason so many arguments can't be taken seriously. It's like trying to debate with a bloody toddler.

Go and look at the covid outbreaks that happened after the Black Lives Matter protests. There weren’t any.

Apart from the one reported in Birmingham and investigated by their local public health team.

Of course we can never really know what the impact of those protests were on Covid cases as there was no control version of virus spread to compare against.

As others have said, the BLM protests were at a far larger scale and police realise that they would have had difficulty preventing them from happening in any case. They would have stopped them if they could. They can stop this vigil so they are.

@Sprining

Rest in peace Sarah. I can’t imagine the suffering she went through and the suffering her family is going through.

I'm so sad about this. Appalled sickened and upset. Her family must be going through absolute hell.

RIP Sarah. You will not be forgotten.

I am also disgusted. I have 2 children and I want them to grow up feeling safe. This case is appalling and I am appalled that other vigils and events have happened and the one which is peaceful has been denied.
Yet again male dominated decision making impacting on women's situations.

[quote BoJoHoNo]@Moondust001 where exactly is the risk in meeting, socially distanced, outdoors wearing masks as the organisers are proposing? Covid is likely here to stay, at what point in your world is it okay for women's rights to matter. Perhaps June 23rd when the great oracle Johnson gives us the big thumbs up? And yes, I'm in favour of the Police not having carte blanche to dish out 'Covid' fines left right and centre, sorry if that offends you.[/quote]
Hear hear