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Who is being unreasonable here, him or me?

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Naunet · 01/03/2021 12:36

This is going to be a long one, so fair warning!

I’m so fed up with my life right now, and I do think I might be a little depressed, probably from lockdown like a lot of people. So I need to know if I’m being fair or not towards my partner right now.

We’ve been together 10 years, he’s a wonderful man, kind, empathetic, funny and we get on fantastically. When we first started living together, he moved into my flat. He was earning around 80k-100k per year, I was earning about 32k, however because the bills were already set up to come out of my account, I kept being the one to pay them, whilst he paid for food, meals out, a couple of holidays, and most of our expenses for our dog. Thinking back now, I don’t think it was the best way to split finances, but he insisted he was spending just as much as I was each month on “us”, and it didn’t feel that uneven, so I didn’t worry too much.

A couple of years ago he got really depressed over his job and wanted to quit and retrain to do something else. I had a promotion at work and my pay was increased to 40k, so I agreed that he should quit if it would make him happy, and we also planned to move a little further out of London.

So we found a new place, and because he wasn’t working at this point, all the new bills again went in my name, it also transpired that he had no savings at this point, which I just can’t understand when he was such a high earner, and to be honest, it pissed me off a bit. It also meant I paid for all of our moving costs, as well as purchasing new furniture that we needed, out of my savings. Around this time we also discussed marriage. We’d talked about it a few times over the years, but now it became apparent he had no plans to marry me, and whilst that wasn’t a deal breaker for me, it did mean I wanted to start planning for my own future independent of him. He already has a property that he owns, I don’t, so I wanted to start saving to buy somewhere.

Time went on and he was making minimum effort to find a job, and also did very little around the house. His mum gave him 13k, he sold his motorbike and I lent him 3k to tide him over, he did also still buy the food shopping, but the vast majority of this money was spent on his assets. Then COVID hit, and with the increased stress, I lost it with him. I told him that whilst he was home he couldn’t just sit on the sofa playing games all day, he needed to do a proper food shop so that we had stuff in should we both get sick, he needed to do the house work and step up and contribute (not financially, just something towards our relationship). Things did improve, but obviously him finding a job became even harder.

Just before Christmas last year, he finally got a new job after almost 2 years of being out of work, and it came with the opportunity to retrain, its exactly what he wanted to do so I’m happy for him, however, he is only being paid 25k, this is not what he told me he’d be earning. So this means I’m still paying for all of our bills except food, whilst he uses his money to pay his mortgage and the credit card debt he’s built up whilst being out of work. I really resent this, I need to buy my own house, yet instead I’m financing his. I wouldn’t mind if we were married, but we’re not, and we’re not going to be.

He’s not mentioned relooking at the bills since he’s started earning, or even mentioned paying back my 3k. I know he will start earning more once he’s been in the job longer, but he seems to just assume it’s ok to keep leaving me with all the bills without even discussing it with me.

A week ago he told me he’d won £200 on the lottery. I waited to see if he would do something for us with the money, but nope, he seems to have just kept it to himself. I’m starting to feel so resentful, I’ve raised it with him, he claims he subsided me whilst we lived in our own place, but fuck knows how he comes to that conclusion when I paid all our bills there too. I think if he showed some gratitude or acknowledge the sacrifices I’m making to support him, I wouldn’t be so angry, but he doesn’t, it’s like he thinks I owe him this.

I’m turning 40 this year, I’m desperate to buy, but I just can’t see how I can afford it when I’m having to support this man.

What do we do? How do I stop this resentment building? I want to be clear that he’s not tight, even though he sounds it from the above, I think it’s more that he has the mentality that we’re going to spend our lives together, so all money is our money and we’re a team. I’m not so sure anymore.

OP posts:
Rainbowroads · 01/03/2021 14:22

I'm sorry OP but somewhere along the way he has not been honest with you. £80-100k and no savings? And now a job at £25k (which people manage to raise an entire family on) and still "can't afford" to split things evenly? £1k a month on food? Some if not all of this is total bollocks. I'm not sure I could spend £1k a month on food for two people if I tried unless you are literally getting takeaways 3-4+ times a week which he always pays for.

I think you have been quite naive and also too passive throughout your whole relationship. He is taking advantage, I'm sure he is very nice to you - maybe because he's got a sweet little deal out of this life of his and is trying to keep it that way. But he doesn't really have your best interests at heart otherwise he would feel terrible that he owns his own house and yet has prevented you from being able to obtain the same.

MrDarcysMa · 01/03/2021 14:23

Also I'd say if he wants to keep finances completely separate and not disclose his savings that's fine but in that case you split everything down the middle - rent, bills, food, the lot.

billybagpuss · 01/03/2021 14:24

If it helps DH and I eat well, a weekly shop usually including some wine comes in at about £100 on really extravagant (m&s) weeks that could go to £150. The dog eats well too she’s on canagan and a big bag of food that lasts approx 6 - 8 weeks costs £68 insurance is £35. She also has activities in non covid times. So 2 of us and dog well short of £1000. Even if we include the cats it’s well short.

I think you need to start a spreadsheet of everything you spend and split it down the middle and then take it in turns to buy the weekly shop. You will then have enough to put aside for a house deposit.

FOJN · 01/03/2021 14:40

I’m turning 40 this year, I’m desperate to buy, but I just can’t see how I can afford it when I’m having to support this man.

Framing the situation as though you have no agency will not help you gain clarity in your thinking. You do not have to support this man, why are you choosing to? You may conclude that there are worthwhile benefits to the relationship but at the moment you are resentful because you view your financial support as an obligation you are powerless to resist or change, which is not true.

You also feel aggrieved he has not raised the issue of the 3K he owes you but have not raised it with him, if he's happy to take advantage he will be unlikely to start a conversation about paying you back and you appear to be willing to let that happen.

If you wish to continue the relationship you need to have a very honest conversation about what each of you is bringing to the table both financially and in terms of domestic responsibilities and about your expectations of each other.

Personally he's spent so long taking the piss I think I'd end things.

dworky · 01/03/2021 14:46

I know you're defending him as a lovely man but no decent person would move into someone's home & fail to offer to share the bills, particularly when earning up to 3x their salary.

rookiemere · 01/03/2021 14:46

Gosh I just got a shock by googling the price of a packet of cigarettes. A branded packet is around £13, so if he's on a packet a day thats £400 a month. No wonder your "food" bills are so high.

Pukkatea · 01/03/2021 14:55

He would do anything for anyone...

Except, it seems, anything that you have asked of him.

HollowTalk · 01/03/2021 14:59

We’ve been together 10 years, he’s a wonderful man, kind, empathetic, funny and we get on fantastically. When we first started living together, he moved into my flat. He was earning around 80k-100k per year, I was earning about 32k

Re-read this, OP. Think about how empathetic he was when he was earning three times what you earned and yet you paid all the bills except food. And I imagine he ate a lot more than you, anyway.

DavidsSchitt · 01/03/2021 15:01

Do you know what, he's definitely only concerned about number one but I think you've actually got yourself a fantasist and a liar here.

He was on 80-100k? Doing what? Or is that just how much he told you he earns back in the day when he tried to impress you?

His actions and his bank balance (plus credit card debt) suggest that this figure was utter bullshit. Lies.

"A couple of years ago he got really depressed over his job and wanted to quit and retrain to do something else"

Uh huh, or he was about to get sacked (or got sacked).

"because he wasn’t working at this point, all the new bills again went in my name, it also transpired that he had no savings at this point"

Okay, so he either didn't earn what he said he did or he's full of shit and actually does have savings. Either way, he let you pay all moving costs and buy all furniture whilst paying all of the bills because he didn't want to contribute. Wow.

"however, he is only being paid 25k, this is not what he told me he’d be earning"

He lied then? Yep, just like he did with his "earnings" before.

OP - he's full of shit and lying to you.

DavidsSchitt · 01/03/2021 15:02

"And I imagine he ate a lot more than you, anyway."

Not sure how you get this @HollowTalk or what it has to do with anything Confused

AllyBama · 01/03/2021 15:09

Oh OP in the nicest way possible, wake up!!

Look, I really don’t think he’s this evil bastard who has set out from the beginning to rob you of your money BUT you’ve both somehow slid into this situation where you are being taken for an absolute mug! You need to have a really frank discussion about how used and resentful you feel and how this current financial situation stops now. Really, how much respect can he actually have for you, does he think you’re stupid? I feel like you had the best of intentions at the start and I can see how you ended up here but you can’t see the forest for the trees anymore. He has rental income, plus his own income and all the while the equity in his rental in increasing? It’s time to tell him from here on out it’s 50/50 or see ya later. Oh and add a payment plan for that 3k on top of that or you’ll never see it again.

thosetalesofunexpected · 01/03/2021 15:09

@Naunet

He has Royally taken advantage of your good/generous nature op

I don't think he is a such a good man if he has was earning reasonable/or high earning wages and he could not be arsed to be considerate to pay equal share of the bills /or if was low pay he could have contributed something fair to help pay the household bills op

He is either got a serious gambling/drugs /drinking/online Adult porn addiction,

Or

He has a secret stash of bank account etc ,you are obviously unaware of op.😕

He could even be a mixture of these issues he is hiding from you op

Naunet · 01/03/2021 15:23

Thank you everyone for your input, I’m a little shocked at the responses. I guess I thought you might tell me to talk to him and give him a kick up the arse, but I didn’t think the responses would come to such a strong consensus, and I can’t ignore that.

I’m too upset to make any depictions right now, but I know I need to do something about this. I’ve always been fiercely independent and careful to never rely on a man, but I think I have had a blind spot when it comes to being taken advantage of financially. Thinking about it now, it’s not the first time I’ve supported men financially in relationships. It’s clearly something I need to work on.

I am struggling to believe he’s intentionally taken advantage of me, I’m having trouble connecting the man I have known and loved for 10 years, with the image of him people are seeing here. I should just add that his property is in negative equity, so I don’t believe that’s why he doesn’t want to marry me. In fact when we met, I told him how I didn’t want to get married, but over the years we both always spoke like we’d spend our lives together, we discussed buying a house together, and at that point I thought it might be wise to get married after all. He’s never said no, in fact he’s agreed with me, but actions speak louder than words, right? And left to him it would never happen, and I’m not going to force it, so I’ve just accepted it’s not going to happen and I need to buy my own place.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply, it’s given me a lot to think about!

OP posts:
DavidsSchitt · 01/03/2021 15:31

His house is in negative equity (are you sure?), he has credit card debt and has had to sell things and take 16k from you and his mum - yet he earned 100k up until 2019?

Think about it. Makes zero sense. He's simply a liar and it's all about to unravel I suspect.

HollowTalk · 01/03/2021 15:33

@DavidsSchitt

"And I imagine he ate a lot more than you, anyway."

Not sure how you get this @HollowTalk or what it has to do with anything Confused

Given the food was virtually all he was paying for, and given a lot of men eat a lot more than a lot of women, then I was saying that his contribution was lower than she might originally have thought. And then the OP validated this by saying she thought he was including the cost of his cigarettes in the food bill.
Soontobe60 · 01/03/2021 15:50

@Naunet

Why are you waiting for him to mention paying you back the money he owes? Are you mute?

Of course not, I’ve raised the bills with him a couple of times. Last time we spoke, we agreed that he would keep all the receipts from the food shopping for a month as he’s convinced he’s spending a grand a month (for 2 of us!!!), and I think that’s unlikely, but if it’s true, we could look at ways to cut back. This weekend I found out he’s not been doing that, so we had another argument about it and he promised he would start.

For the 3k, I guess for now I’m ok waiting until he’s earning a little more, it’s more the fact that he hasn’t raised the issue with me and asked if that’s ok that pisses me off.

Just get him to print off his bank statements for the last 3 months then go through them to identify what he’s spent in Aldi, Lidl, Tesco etc. Its not rocket science! If he says he’s paid with cash, then it should show up cash withdrawals.
GabsAlot · 01/03/2021 15:52

how is it in negativeprices havent negative equity-prices havent dropped that much when did he buy

its not making much sense

Naunet · 01/03/2021 15:56

@Soontobe60 yes he suggested that and is happy to do so, but we had specifically discussed saving the receipts so that if it really is very high, we can look at what he’s buying and how to save.

OP posts:
Naunet · 01/03/2021 16:02

@GabsAlot He had an accident around 15/20 years ago now, got a large insurance payout so put it towards 2 new builds in another city. Unfortunately they both took a big fall in value almost straight away, he managed to sell one a few years ago, and I guess that explains where some of his wages went at that time. His mum actually gave him the 13k to help him get rid of the second flat (it was given as an early inheritance to help him out), but because he was out of work for so long, he ended up spending it on living expenses. His mum was pretty angry with him about that as you can imagine!

OP posts:
TurquoiseDragon · 01/03/2021 16:13

@DavidsSchitt

Do you know what, he's definitely only concerned about number one but I think you've actually got yourself a fantasist and a liar here.

He was on 80-100k? Doing what? Or is that just how much he told you he earns back in the day when he tried to impress you?

His actions and his bank balance (plus credit card debt) suggest that this figure was utter bullshit. Lies.

"A couple of years ago he got really depressed over his job and wanted to quit and retrain to do something else"

Uh huh, or he was about to get sacked (or got sacked).

"because he wasn’t working at this point, all the new bills again went in my name, it also transpired that he had no savings at this point"

Okay, so he either didn't earn what he said he did or he's full of shit and actually does have savings. Either way, he let you pay all moving costs and buy all furniture whilst paying all of the bills because he didn't want to contribute. Wow.

"however, he is only being paid 25k, this is not what he told me he’d be earning"

He lied then? Yep, just like he did with his "earnings" before.

OP - he's full of shit and lying to you.

Yeah, I think I agree with this.
Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 01/03/2021 16:14

I’m going to be honest, there is zero percent of me that believes he ever had a high paying job. Sounds like you’ve been taken for a ride

stablefeet · 01/03/2021 16:17

As they are all saying - this is not a wonderful man. It's easy for him to be "lovely" when he has no financial pressures to worry about at all and can basically do whatever he likes with his money, even when he was a high earner, and let you take the strain.
You can talk to him but I'd bet it won't help. If you want to buy a house don't whatever you do buy it with him. And think yourself lucky you didn't marry him because it means that if you split up he isn't going to be entitled to grab half your assets!

MissMarpleTheMurderer · 01/03/2021 16:17

I hate to say it but the more information you give, the bleaker the situation becomes.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 01/03/2021 16:21

Did I read that right, £13 for a packet of fags?

FOJN · 01/03/2021 16:22

OP the more you write the less sense this all makes. House prices have recovered since they lost value in 2008/2009, added to which he has been paying the mortgage for quite a few years which, unless he took out an interest only mortgage, would reduce the amount owed. If he did take out an interest only mortgage he has failed to make arrangements to raise the amount which would be due at the end of the mortgage term. I would think he has borrowed more money against the property and it's looking like he is absolutely reckless with money.