AIBU to think that Prince Harry is coming across as the most tone deaf and hypocritical member of the RF right now?

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Yes the guy lost his mother in a tragic way at a young age. (So have many) Yes he was forced out into the public eye in the middle of grief (which was horrific at the time and worse on reflection) BUT he is now an adult man with a family and access to life of extreme privilege yet he cannot seem to realise that him publically complaining about his lot in life and telling the rest of us how to behave is distasteful. Also, the petulant way he seems to communicate with the media is just undelining his immaturity and lack of awareness. By which I mean, the potshots in statements and rapping with James Corden and his pathetic man of the people schtick. If you want to be Hazzer give up your title and STFU!

AIBU?

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Just watched the James Corden piece. I thought Harry did great actually (did notice a couple of swipes at the RF). He answered some tough questions. I did laugh a lot when the afternoon tea trolley went everywhere

The tea trolley thing was so funny. And I am guessing not supposed to happen. I thought it was funny when Harry poked his head out of that round window when he had a loo break.

People with assets who want to get away from media scrutiny don’t move to California and cultivate media contacts, they move to Montana or Arizona or Idaho. They find a nice normal town somewhere that the residents will be briefly interested that a celebrity has joined their ranks and then treat them like normal
citizens for the rest of their lives. It’s a well-worn formula for actors who want to escape the glare of Hollywood. They live like relatively normal people and get treated like relatively normal people.

p.s. I wonder when the swiss chalet of Andrew's on the market for £18.3million will sell, and where he got that money?

I thought he was very likeable. I wouldn’t have known about it if it weren’t for this thread

Some of you are just sour and need to cheer up. It’s a beautiful day out there

I agree that criticism of M is rooted more in misogyny than racism. Literally every woman who has married in has been ripped apart in the press. And actually, even Beatrice and Eugenie have been pulled apart because they made some iffy fashion choices and maybe aren't conventionally 'princessy' in their appearance. It's not nice - no one says much about the men who've married in.

I think H & M have made some strategic errors and some of the criticism levelled at them wasn't entirely unfair. If you are royal or marry in there are certain rules you are agreeing to abide by in exchange for the life of immense privilege - failure to obey the rules will result in criticism. One or two things done slightly differently could have made all the difference. Maybe M doesn't value being a member of the RF since it isn't part of her culture or life experience, but for H it defined him. I think he's given up a lot and I'm not sure the cult of celebrity is a good exchange.

I suspect this Oprah interview is going to see them stitched up like a kipper. Oprah is very clever, Harry, not so much imo. I think this will cost him dearly in the long run.

I don't care if they appear on whatever telly programme they like. Seriously I don't. Sell latte recipes whatever and I wouldn't care less. I just wish they'd stfu about the RF and all these perceived slights he seems to have.

They.. seemingly it’s Prince Harry talking more about it than Meghan. Also, neither you , I or anyone else on this thread can say what slights he didn’t or did receive since none of us knows for sure what goes on and has went on behind closed doors. For someone who doesn’t care, you sure don’t sound like you don’t.

It's pretty low effort to write a comment on Mumsnet.

As in it doesn't denote a massive mental investment! On a quiet day in lockdown anyway..

I just don't understand wanting less media attention, then presenting yourself on numerous media outlets. When they left I thought fair enough, don't blame you I wouldn't want that either. If they'd kept themselves to themselves and just got in with raising their family, maybe some business investments later down the line I would've completely understood, but signing a deal with Netflix, James Corden and Oprah, is doesn't seem like they don't want media attention they just want it on their terms and at a price, whilst still being bankrolled by his father. That's hard to be sympathetic towards.

Had he continued with some charity work, that would seem pretty reasonable to me as well. Or looked at some kind of career direction. I would expect they would still get some media attention.

They donated to a women's shelter in Texas this week (which wouldn't have been known if the shelter hadn't tweeted). They've been photographed handing out food to vulnerable people before. Just because they don't publicise it, doesn't mean they don't do it.

Also, the people saying she should act in a film, she got slated for narrating that documentary about elephants and for signing with Netflix.

What toxic environment is Harry creating? Where and how?

I would have thought that if something like this was going to be levelled at anyone, it should be Andrew. Rather than a couple with a baby, one on the way, who have worked out a way to fund themselves (unlike Andrew), pay for their own security (unlike Andrew) and whilst earning a living, fund some really worthwhile charity projects (unike Andrew).*

Right. Still remember the silence over Prince Andrew in the British media while the rest of the world was talking about it. What was the biggest news instead.. Harry and Meghan visiting her mother for Thanksgiving. For all the posts about MIL’s and how important it is to be fair and see both sides, sure didn’t matter when it came to these two, did it?

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I just don't understand wanting less media attention, then presenting yourself on numerous media outlets. When they left I thought fair enough, don't blame you I wouldn't want that either. If they'd kept themselves to themselves and just got in with raising their family, maybe some business investments later down the line I would've completely understood, but signing a deal with Netflix, James Corden and Oprah, is doesn't seem like they don't want media attention they just want it on their terms and at a price, whilst still being bankrolled by his father. That's hard to be sympathetic towards.

It's called consent. Surely you can tell the difference between giving an interview and loads of stories from sources?

Imagine the difference between you announcing something on FB and someone posting a load of made up nonsense about you on FB.

Dunno🤷🏼‍♀️ I just watched the Harry and James Corden interview and I quite enjoyed it.

On these threads of late, posters don't get consent. It doesn't fit The Story of H&M.

Say Nick Knowles went on TV to discuss a new book or CD and part of that he discussed how his pet goldfish say inspired him. It doesn't then follow that he is asking for the media to follow him and dig up stories on him.

@Roussette

On these threads of late, posters don't get consent. It doesn't fit The Story of H&M.

I know. It's worrying

I can't believe how much hate Harry gets when they're all fine and dandy with Andrew... I don't mind Meghan and Harry at all though.

He is not the brightest is he? The only reason we are seeing the real him now is because he doesnt have the Kensington Palace PR machine to keep him on track.

I think it's pretty horrible to keep saying he isn't the brightest. I've seen it time and time again on these threads... he's thick, he's stupid, he's dim.

Anywhere else on MN it wouldn't be tolerated.

By the way I don't agree.

'What toxic environment is Harry creating? Where and how?'

Hmm, well I would say the book, the chatshows, the one sided tales will be hugely upsetting for his family, surely affecting everyone's mh not just Harry's. It is unfair scrutiny. Which is a 'toxic environment' by H's definition.

Also, once again your 'but Prince Andrew!' derail is irrelevant as not person defends or supports him. It is possible to be critical of both Harry and Andrew y'see.

Agreed @Roussette.

In fairness they went to LA literally just before lockdown and haven't been able to carry out any engagements

Which is also fine. My point was that even while avoiding public life generally, I think it would have been reasonable to want to carry on with some charity work. But it's also fine if they don't.

But they are clearly looking to switch a royal family public life for a Hollywood celebrity life. Which is not something you do if you hate the limelight or public exposure.

People in their position - celebrities and minor royals - can live and work largely outside of celebrity/media culture if that is what they want. Some do it pretty successfully.

But it doesn't work if you are appearing at events, releasing videos, participating in a reality tv show, giving television interviews, and doing the party circuit.

I think he looks ridiculous. All this “I’m serving the public” stuff while taking millions to line his own pockets doesn’t wash. I don’t care what he does, but it’s not public service.

Hmm, well I would say the book, the chatshows, the one sided tales will be hugely upsetting for his family, surely affecting everyone's mh not just Harry's. It is unfair scrutiny. Which is a 'toxic environment' by H's definition

What book? What chatshow? They haven't done one yet. He has not created a toxic environment, he has left one.

'I think he looks ridiculous. All this “I’m serving the public” stuff while taking millions to line his own pockets doesn’t wash. I don’t care what he does, but it’s not public service.'

Yes, he has become a figure of ridicule. Must be so hard for his family to witness it all.