AIBU to tell every mother on mumsnet...

[LastRoloIsMine]

We nearly lost the word mother and all that comes with it?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4176497-History-in-the-making-Watch-Parliament-Live-at-2-30pm

The maternity bill wanted to remove the word mother/woman and replace it with pregnant person.
Those words are important and women have fought for a century to be recognised yet we were nearly wiped out in favour of belief not fact.

I wont say "I am not transphobic" like some sort of plea! I dont actually have to I am just fighting for womens rights no need for me to explain myself any further.

They're not going to physically put their hand over my mouth to stop me saying it

Probably not, but have you heard of 'cancel culture'?

@ConstantlySeekingHappiness

It’s interesting how dreadfully important language is when talking about trans people.

But apparently so completely unimportant when talking about women...

Strange that.

This!

I wonder how long it will be until there is no gender given at birth and it is simply a baby.

ooohbriefcase

Actually yes they can.

You enjoy legal rights like maternity leave, maternity pay, maternity benefits and healthcare all because women before you fought for the word woman to be recognised in law. Only men mattered before. All laws were designed to suit men. Women were not classed as people therefore they had no rights.

You remove the word woman/mother from our laws then you remove the specific rights we need.

Probably not, but have you heard of 'cancel culture'?

People not able to spout
racism
homophobia
transphobia
all in the name of free speech as much you mean?

@Mockolate you can respect someone's personal beliefs without changing entire legislation for it. Replacing sex based terms for gender friendly ones is taking away from women and the rights we have fought for. Personal beliefs shouldn't replace facts just to spare the feelings of a tiny minority. Sex based rights have to be protected, especially when women of child baring age are discriminated against 'just incase' they get pregnant, never mind if they actually do. We can all play along with gender ideology, but it's still biological women who face discrimination and health danger for getting pregnant and having babies. You can't opt out of that biological truth and our legislation needs to reflect that honestly.

It's not intolerant to accept the reality that women are female, men are male, women give birth, and men do not. There's no need to change language in an effort to validate someone's beliefs of feelings about their identity.

People should definitely be "allowed" to "spout" all those things in the name of freedom of speech.

Ive really had enough now

@risefromyourgrave

You are right.

Black people are people.
Disabled people are people.
Children are people.
Refugees are people.
Jews are people.
Uighurs are people.

We specify words, subsets of humanity, when we want to acknowledge and discuss the specific experiences of those particular groups of people.

To erase the specificity and the possibility of addressing issues that affect those groups of people is regressive and oppressive. The same goes for denying women the ability to talk about our specific experiences.

@Mockolate

What "homophobia, transphobia, racism" have you seen in this thread?

YANBU!

Probably not, but have you heard of 'cancel culture'?

People not able to spout
racism
homophobia
transphobia
all in the name of free speech as much you mean?

No, that’s not what cancel culture is. Have you been living under a rock for the past five years?

I'm with you OP.

AnnaPotter

You sit at home feeding your baby. I bet you got good free healthcare specifically around being pregnant and giving birth?
Maternity leave?
Time off for scans or pregnancy related illness?
If you are claiming benefits you are claiming them because you have a child?
Priority for housing?
Employment laws which protect you from being sacked because you are pregnant/ are a mother?

Its easy to say being called a woman makes no difference to you when you are enjoying all the rights the women before you didnt have but they fought and died to ensure you would.

@Mockolate
What about misogyny or does that not matter?
Cancelculture applied to JK Rowling, various female academics and feminists seems clearly misogynistic to me.

Mockolate, one of those things is not like the others. Supposed "Transphobia" shouldn't be thrown in the same bucket as racism and homophobia. Anyone who declares that they can't see the difference between women - many left-leaning, socially progressive - saying there's a problem here and the pernicious right, religious or otherwise, exercising their prejudice, is deliberately conflating the two groups of people in very bad faith indeed. There's no right to hate speech, no. "Language matters," for example, is not hate speech.

What "homophobia, transphobia, racism" have you seen in this thread?

It was in response to the cancel culture comment, not what I'd seen on this thread.

Stop making shit up to suit your agenda.
Exactly. I love all the I am not trans phobic people on mn. You are. Do all of you know there's trans people on mn? How awful for them to listen to this rubbish weekly at least. Also: How in a time of a global pandemic is this what you felt the need to post about?

Interesting that PPs are blaming trans women for this...

@LastRoloIsMine
That is exactly what I find so worrying. There is a complacency and a lack of understanding of how far women have come in only a short time and how easily that could be undone.