To think there’s nothing wrong with cross breeds?

[sophialagiraffe]

There is nothing wrong whatsoever with cross breeds, whether that’s lurchers or cockerpoos. People are allowed to like what they like.

What DOES matter is where the dog comes from. But all this sneering about “mongrels” is fucking nasty and says more about the poster than the dog.

Most people don’t want a Crufts champion, they want a pet.

They are sneering at the ridiculous jackapugaplabapoo combos that are sold for 3 grand that actually are just the 'crossbreeds' you talk about. Not the dogs themselves. I love all dogs but I don't love uneducated home breeders who would cross a goldfish with a giraffe if people thought they were buying the next instabreed.

Oh and I have the same issue with people who buy pugs and other brachycephalic breeds, dachshunds etc without any thought beyond “it’s cute”.

Also the amount of people I see posting my 10 week old puppy is crying shitting pissing everywhere
Im like yeah just because you paid 3k don’t mean it will come fully housetrained
I support a few rescues and so many are handed into the rescue because the “owners “ don’t want them when they aren’t cute puppies

@Frequency

My issue is not with the dog. I don't sneer. I do, however, think anyone who pays ££££ for a crossbreed is fucking stupid.

It's not a cockerpoo. It's a crossbreed/mongrel. It is the same as all the other crossbreeds wasting away in rescues up and down the country. Giving it a stupid name does not suddenly make it genetically superior and worth thousands.

What the fuck has it got to do with you what someone does with their money mind your own business.

Mongrel means cross-breed and comes
from a word meaning mix - related to mingle. There's a lot of snobbishness but basically a cockerpoo is a cross-breed or mongrel. They are what they are. Some cross-breeds are more in demand than others hence the price tag. If that's what people want to spend their hard-earned on then that's their business but don't get all snotty when others call them a mongrel as that is what the word means. 💁🏼‍♀️

Personally, it would be better if dogs could be rescued but that's just my opinion.

OP, I think a number of posters here have very much prove your point!

It goes 'thise to be owners are idiots to pay urge amount for acute named dog'.

'But can't they spend whatever amount they wish?'

'Yes but it's breeders not caring about the health of cross breeds'

'but do crossbreeds systematically have more health issues then pedigree dogs'

'No but you have to be an idiot to spend that much money in a mongrel'!

Also the amount of people I see posting my 10 week old puppy is crying shitting pissing everywhere
Haha, should we call idiots all those mums posting here about their babies not sleeping through the night, not potty trained at a certain age, crying non stop?

Oh wait, it's it dog owners who get to be sneered at!

I don't have an issue with cross breeds. My childhood dog was a proper Heinz 57 and she was very healthy and good natured. What I take issue with is people charging/paying silly money for a cross breed and the puppy farms that profit from ignorant buyers.

What the fuck has it got to do with you what someone does with their money

If that money is directly supporting an inhumane, unethical market beset by puppy farms, dodgy imports, the careless creation of dogs with health problems - it's got something to do with anyone with a vaguely working moral compass hasn't it?.

^ But the amount of french bulldog puppies I see under 4 months with severe allergies and skin conditions is terrible
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But brindles aren’t a popular colour - people want Lilac plantinum and Merle^

They're probably blissfully unaware that these two sentences may be directly related. I didn't realise till recently that some unusual, supposedly rare and desirable colours are linked to various health issues either for the pup or the parents. There was a thread recently on Merle which was an eye opener.

@sophialagiraffe YANBU. I love cross breeds. They seem friendlier, less aggressive, and more gentle.. especially the female dogs. In my experience.

Not to say that all pedigree dogs are angry and aggressive, but if you had say, 200 dogs (100 pedigree and 100 cross breed,) and 12 of them are a bit aggressive, 10 of them will be pedigree, but only 2 will be cross breed.

So like, 88 out of the pedigree will be fine. IYSWIM. But 98 of the cross breed will be fine. So a pedigree is more likely to be aggressive, but many of them won't be. (Hope that makes sense!!!)

... a lot and absolutely nothing!

*YANBU. I love cross breeds. They seem friendlier, less aggressive, and more gentle.. especially the female dogs. In my experience.

Not to say that all pedigree dogs are angry and aggressive, but if you had say, 200 dogs (100 pedigree and 100 cross breed,) and 12 of them are a bit aggressive, 10 of them will be pedigree, but only 2 will be cross breed.

So like, 88 out of the pedigree will be fine. IYSWIM. But 98 of the cross breed will be fine. So a pedigree is more likely to be aggressive, but many of them won't be. (Hope that makes sense!!!)*

Do you have any actual evidence to back that up?

Or is it just something you made up with a few % thrown in to make it seem academic?

Because it’s utter bollocks. Ask anyone who works with dogs.

I do wholeheartedly support the legitimate worries around animal welfare. especially the mums having too many litters and no thought for the temperament of each parent or lack of genetic testing. But i don't think that is a cross breed issue.

We looked for a dog recently. There were lots of adverts for single breed dogs at 3k the parents weren't genetically tested and they were just family homes - no idea how many litters had been had or the temperament. We also saw adverts saying this is mums 4th litter so the pups cant be KC registered, but the same parents are involved as our previous litters. Which should put people off but the dogs are technically a 'pure breed'.

There is nothing wrong with cross breeds but there is nothing inherently right with them either.

I really wince when I hear people talking about how their default choice is a poodle cross ‘because I couldn’t cope with dog hair in the house’
Because if you want a spotlessly clean house, you probably aren’t going to be able to give a dog a happy, natural life
Cockerpoos for example, are a cross between 2 breeds that love LOVE to run through water and muddy muddles, and snuffle in undergrowth. They’ve been bred for hundreds of years to do this
Then the breeds get crossed because someone wants a living teddy bear but doesn’t want hair anywhere and then realises they don’t want mud in the house either so it isn’t allowed off the lead or for park walks or any of the other things that would allow it to have fun but would also bring dirt into the home.

When the primary breeding decision is ‘how can this dog be less like a dog and more like a stuffed toy?’ alarms bells should be ringing very loudly

especially the mums having too many litters and no thought for the temperament of each parent or lack of genetic testing. But i don't think that is a cross breed issue
Exactly. Pedigree dogs' prices have gone up just as much. There are dodgy breeders and always will.

As a future dog owner, we need to take responsibility to ensure we don't get any dog from anywhere. Thankfully that still leaves many puppy, cross breed or not, who will be sold for over £2,000 just because there are people who are prepared to pay that amount and that's fine.

Because if you want a spotlessly clean house, you probably aren’t going to be able to give a dog a happy, natural life
What a strange statement! My OH has OCD. We chose a breed accordingly. It's a logical choice to make. The house is still very clean. We just clean more. Our dog is spoilt rotten and has the most happy life a dog can wish for.

You can't win! You pick agreed in account of your lifestyle? You're going to give the dog a miserable life!

You pick any dog because it shouldn't matter, you're an idiot for not having done your research and picked a dog that matches with your lifestyle!

especially the mums having too many litters and no thought for the temperament of each parent or lack of genetic testing. But i don't think that is a cross breed issue

It is more of a cross breed issue because if you get a KC registered pedigree you know the mum hasn’t had more than x number of litters.

Of course it is also a pedigree issue if you buy non KC. But that is then completely on the buyer for knowingly buying it.

Cross breeds can’t be KC registered so you have no way to tell whether the bitch has had two litters or 20.

"When the primary breeding decision is ‘how can this dog be less like a dog and more like a stuffed toy?’ alarms bells should be ringing very loudly"

This with (alarm) bells on.

@dontdisturbmenow

Because if you want a spotlessly clean house, you probably aren’t going to be able to give a dog a happy, natural life What a strange statement! My OH has OCD. We chose a breed accordingly. It's a logical choice to make. The house is still very clean. We just clean more. Our dog is spoilt rotten and has the most happy life a dog can wish for.

You can't win! You pick agreed in account of your lifestyle? You're going to give the dog a miserable life!

You pick any dog because it shouldn't matter, you're an idiot for not having done your research and picked a dog that matches with your lifestyle!

It’s not a strange statement It’s what I’ve heard time and time again from people who got a cockerpoo because they thought it would be sterile and then are shocked when they realise that non-moulting doesn’t equal ‘you’d never guess a dog lives here’

Your solution is to do more cleaning, which is great but not typical of the experiences I’ve had, which is why I said ‘probably’

For far too many other people, the solution is to not let the dog have proper walks to avoid it getting dirty,
Or to leave it locked in the utility room to avoid it bringing dirt into the house.

bluebluezoo
yes, that is a good thing about the KC.

But the KC could register cross breeds to if they were interested in animal welfare. They could recognise that things like labradoodles and cockapoos are very popular and aren't going disappear so its paramount to come up with a system to help safety.

*Because if you want a spotlessly clean house, you probably aren’t going to be able to give a dog a happy, natural life

What a strange statement! My OH has OCD. We chose a breed accordingly. It's a logical choice to make*

While I agree, i still am confused why people would choose a crossbreed for it’s non-shedding, hypoallergenic properties.

If that is important to you, then you are much better off getting a poodle. Coat type guaranteed, and often crossed coats are a nightmare as the curly/straight coat types in one dog cause many problems.

People don’t seem to understand that crossing a poodle makes the coat type less likely to be non-shedding and more likely to trigger allergies.

The amount of times I hear we had to get a cockerpoo/doodleoodle because allergies/shedding... just get a bloody poodle then!

Cross breeds are being sold for £3k plus. It's a disgrace.

As others have stated they don't have to comply with kennel club standards, they often are bred from over bred bitches.

They are literally designer dogs.

Reputable KC breeders have not hiked their prices and have long waiting lists because they are not over breeding to meet demand.

I have no issue with the dogs themselves, i do have an issue with the purchasers who are contributing to the overbreeding of dogs with no regard to the conditions in which they are being bred and sold.

But the KC could register cross breeds to if they were interested in animal welfare. They could recognise that things like labradoodles and cockapoos are very popular and aren't going disappear so its paramount to come up with a system to help safety

I believe they have started a cross breed registration?

However nobody is going to push for a scheme that means less profit. As they can’t be shown there is no benefit in the scheme for breeders.

Until there’s a legal requirement for KC reg or some other benefit then it isn’t going to happen for cross breeds.

It’s just a way of keeping the people who had the tenacity to buy a non-MN approved breed of dog in their place

Nobody gives a crap what kind of dog you have. You're just not that interesting.

"The amount of times I hear we had to get a cockerpoo/doodleoodle because allergies/shedding... just get a bloody poodle then!"

I'm a groomer and the amount of times I've heard "DON'T MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A POODLE!!!!1" from people who own a dog that is literally half poodle...

@Micah poo and oodle crosses have been around for a while now and are numerous, except I rarely see any poodles of any size. They've fallen out of fashion seemingly despite being the non-shedding dream that people are after. This is just personal observation though. The token local stud poodle must be extremely busy x