To think there’s nothing wrong with cross breeds?

[sophialagiraffe]

There is nothing wrong whatsoever with cross breeds, whether that’s lurchers or cockerpoos. People are allowed to like what they like.

What DOES matter is where the dog comes from. But all this sneering about “mongrels” is fucking nasty and says more about the poster than the dog.

Most people don’t want a Crufts champion, they want a pet.

@2021namechanges

I don’t agree with charging it for any dog. But professional breeders have lines they’ve been working on for generations. There just seem to be so many people jumping on the doodle band wagon to make a quick buck.

I guess I just don’t think that dogs should be there for anyone to just get knocked up for a profit. It just seems to happen more with cross breeds.

I’m aware that that’s exactly what breeders are doing by the way. But proper breeders don’t over breed their dogs, get them health checked etc etc.

With the fashion for mixed breeds it just seems more people are breeding and breeding to for the cash with no real breed knowledge.

I think the problem is that too many people have seen pedigree dogs selling for upwards of £2.5k and think “wayhey, that’s the going rate for a puppy, let’s get in on that”. What they don’t appreciate is when it’s a responsible breeder selling their puppies for that amount, the buyer is paying for:

• Potentially years of breeder expertise in the breed and knowing which lines cross well
• Potentially proven parents with show or working champions in their pedigree
• All breed specific health tests carried out on both parents
• Puppy wormed, insured, fed on quality puppy food from weaning (often with a supply provided to go with the puppy to its new home), possibly had first vaccinations depending on age
• Lifelong support from breeder if required, including taking the dog back in the case of problems.

You’re not just paying for the physical puppy, you’re paying for all of the expertise and outlay behind it and none of that comes cheaply or easily. I’m not disputing that some breeders of crossbreeds may do all that - but please don’t try to convince me that it’s anywhere near the majority. I know from my own days in rescue that it isn’t.

(And I also know some pedigree breeders don’t either, which is why I keep stressing “responsible breeder” as opposed to simply pedigree v crossbreed. It’s just easier to find the responsible ones among the former than the latter.)

@Imapotato

What I object to is people charging £3000 for a crossbreed. I have nothing against them. Many of them are lovely. But to charge mega bucks for them. That’s just greed.

Sorry if this has already been said a million time. I haven’t read the whole thread.

If they offer all the same health checks etc, feed the puppies at the same level, etc, they would have to charge the same amount to cover their costs.

But people forget that prices in general are about what the market will bear. As long as puppies are difficult to find the prices will be high.

OnlyTheLangoftheTitBerg
Well said.

There seems to be too many people who don't value the knowledge and care that goes into responsible breeding, but then will happily hand over 80% of the cost to any Tom, Dick or Harry who wants a quick buck.

It is crazy when the cross breed pup is 2-3k, but you could get the pure bred, health tested and what not poodle, or cocker etc for half of that cost, from fabulous breeders. That’s when you know the breeder is basically in it for the money. This was pre COVID though, now even more bonkers stuff going on. I do know many breeders who have not upped their prices, or who have decided to hold off on having litters due to all that’s going on. They are the breeders to admire, regardless of pure or mix.

If you want a cross breed that's fine.

No need to go on about it, or get het up.

@Tal45

Meaning of mongrel in English mongrel noun [ C ] UK /ˈmʌŋ.ɡrəl/ US /ˈmʌŋ.ɡrəl/

a dog whose parents are of different breeds

But if your dog's parents are different breeds then it is a mongrel because that's the meaning of mongrel. People seem to think if the parents are pedigree then it's not a mongrel, that's not what mongrel means, it just means parents were different breeds.

You forgot the other definition:

"crossbreed
[ kraws-breed, kros- ]SHOW IPA

See synonyms for: crossbreed / crossbred / crossbreeding on Thesaurus.com
verb (used with object), cross·bred, cross·breed·ing.
to produce (a hybrid); hybridize.
verb (used without object), cross·bred, cross·breed·ing.
to undertake or engage in hybridizing; hybridize.
noun
an animal or group of animals produced by hybridization; hybrid."

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