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Would a little common decency have hurt?

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Weezapleeza · 22/02/2021 17:10

My nephew lost control of his R/C car and it went into the road. A few seconds later a woman in a Discovery ran right over it but apparently without batting an eyelid. She didn't slow down or stop either before or after. It was like she'd just flattened it in passing. Then the acknowledgement came. A couple of minutes later she pulled up outside the drive, wound down her window, and asked him the most incredible question. "Did you enjoy that?" She was furious, and rude, and he was in tears. That seemed to give her an answer but all she did then was drive off again. No apology, nothing. AIBU to expect better?

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Weezapleeza · 23/02/2021 09:03

There's a few things that I do want to say.

I can't tell you how much I've talked about roads. Maybe I wasn't exactly supervising but I thought he was old enough to be trusted and in fact it seems like I turned my back for a moment where he thought I was out of sight and he went and did the most incredibly stupid thing.

I live on an estate. There's a big area that used to be for cars but now is only accessible to keyholders and emergency vehicles and there's a low wall that protects it from the road except for a driveway where the barrier is. I wanted to believe that he somehow went down that driveway by accident but actually there's no way and he's admitted as much. He actually chose to go into the road. I hadn't considered the possibility of that ever happening by accident and I would still view such a thing as highly unlikely, despite my attempts to renegotiate reality. As far as I was concerned he was in a protected space. The road outside, by the way, is a 20mph and I don't think for a moment she was going faster than that.

What seems to have happened next is that he saw the Discovery and panicked and decided to stay still where the driver would know where the r/c was and could miss. She didn't, of course. How much I believe right now is all a bit open to question. The idea that he just aimed it there to be crushed is pretty unthinkable but that's been put to him and he's pretty clear that the jury's out, because it's an explanation that rather sadly fits the facts as far as anyone knows them.

I paid quite a bit of money for that thing. I know that's not the point but I'd have thought he might done something rather better than have some unfortunate woman run it over. She could probably have stopped but actually, yes, why would she? If she saw it come out onto the road then how could she really predict what was going on? She had to have known what it was though, in order for all of the pieces to fit. She didn't stop to check but when she came back she seemed pretty clued up on what she thought had happened.

I think she was making the point that his stupid choices had made something bad happen and was saying that it wasn't much fun. Like, did you enjoy the result? But again, who knows for sure. As a lot of people have said, none of us covered ourselves in glory

I should have made him say sorry. He's been told that and he seems to have taken it on board. He's not getting a replacement. He's been told that too.

My first thought at the time was wrong. I saw what was going to happen and I was just like, oh no, please don't. Then there was a big sickening crunch as it went under her wheel. When she pulled up I was too busy hating that car and what it had just done to get my brain into gear.

If it had been me in her place I'd have stopped at the start and said I was sorry but I'd have expected the same in return. She didn't get that apology and I'm really surprised at myself about that. I feel I've let myself down and I've certainly been put straight on here for it.

I'm sure there's still people are going to make sure the point is hammered home. I don't feel in a blaming mood on that one.

In the end it was some old plastic. Yes, it could have been much worse.

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MsTSwift · 23/02/2021 09:09

Sometimes even decent kids of that age do really daft things.

nimbuscloud · 23/02/2021 09:14

Why is there an issue about roads? Are there other things going on with him as well?

rattlemehearties · 23/02/2021 09:15

OP. You write like you're smart but you don't seem very... on the ball.

The driver probably had a shock and thought she'd run over something live or damaged her car. The snarky "did you enjoy that" was to indicate that she hoped he was happy with how much he'd shaken her, directed at a lad who should have known better.

BettysButtons · 23/02/2021 09:16

It sounds like he was at fault but the person who happened to be driving and crushed the car was not a ‘passive’ type.

Big question! Are you going out today to buy a replacement remote control car? (I wouldn’t but I just wondered...)

Weezapleeza · 23/02/2021 09:20

@BettysButtons

It sounds like he was at fault but the person who happened to be driving and crushed the car was not a ‘passive’ type.

Big question! Are you going out today to buy a replacement remote control car? (I wouldn’t but I just wondered...)

Not a chance. I'm not saying this is all down to him but if he's ever going to have another one he's going to have to get it from somewhere else.
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Weezapleeza · 23/02/2021 09:22

@nimbuscloud

Why is there an issue about roads? Are there other things going on with him as well?
Good question. Starts here, I guess.
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MsHedgehog · 23/02/2021 09:28

OP. You write like you're smart but you don't seem very... on the ball

Agreed! Whilst OP acknowledges her nephew was in the wrong, she is still critical about the driver. The poor woman was no doubt shaken up enough to turn around and tell him off, yet OPs words are still somewhat finger pointing at her.

Weezapleeza · 23/02/2021 09:29

@rattlemehearties

OP. You write like you're smart but you don't seem very... on the ball.

The driver probably had a shock and thought she'd run over something live or damaged her car. The snarky "did you enjoy that" was to indicate that she hoped he was happy with how much he'd shaken her, directed at a lad who should have known better.

Maybe. I don't know for sure. Maybe she didn't see what it was until she came back. There's no real way of me knowing but she seemed pretty focussed on the broken car pretty quickly. I assumed she already knew.
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Longdistance · 23/02/2021 09:33

I’d hate to have her bill if she ended up with a flat tyre. Bloody inconvenient and expensive.

BettysButtons · 23/02/2021 09:34

Do you look after your nephew full time OP?

If it makes you feel any better, I teach 11-16 and have my own teens.

Many children have really bad road sense. You only have to drive near a school at the start and end of a day to experience it.
Many also show quite a startling lack of common sense in lots of ways and do very silly and sometimes dangerous things.
‘What we’re you thinking?’ - reply:
‘I wasn’t’

Without going into the psychology of it all, your nephew is probably like many if not the majority of other boys his age.

I’m glad you aren’t replacing the car.
How he felt seeing it crushed is bloody painful but he will learn to think ahead in other situations hopefully. He will have had a big shock and it’s also painful for you to see him distressed.

SoupDragon · 23/02/2021 09:35

I think there is a good chance she thought he'd done it deliberately to see it crushed, hence the "did you enjoy that" comment.

We used to put cans/apples/stuff in the road to see them crushed when
I was a kid. Not the same league as an expensive toy mind you.

BettysButtons · 23/02/2021 09:39

@SoupDragon

I think there is a good chance she thought he'd done it deliberately to see it crushed, hence the "did you enjoy that" comment.

We used to put cans/apples/stuff in the road to see them crushed when
I was a kid. Not the same league as an expensive toy mind you.

Cat and mouse game was one of my first thoughts. If he was playing a game, he didn’t dodge the real car quick enough and got ‘caught’... or in this case ‘crushed’!
NoCherryNoDeal · 23/02/2021 10:04

Sounds like you really care about your nephew, OP. That’s lovely to read. Do you take care of him a lot?

Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 23/02/2021 10:35

WOW so it sounds like he did do it deliberately. Or at least intended to drive up and down on the road, with full knowledge of what this could cause.

So the woman was right to be furious and angry and blame you both.

ChancesWhatChances · 23/02/2021 10:47

Oh ffs, of course you weren’t supervising him. He’s 12, I don’t know a 12 year old alive that would want to go out to play with an adult supervising him. And of course you got pissed and upset, the woman driving the car reduced your nephew to tears. I don’t know an adult alive that could watch their child family meme her be reduced to tears without being furious regardless of if the child was wrong or not.

He was an idiot for having the car on the road. She was a cow for the way she acted. You’re a perfectly normal aunt who’s pissed at her nephew being upset and still acknowledging he was a bit of an idiot. Absolutely no need for you or anyone else to flog yourself over the matter.

ChancesWhatChances · 23/02/2021 10:48

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GirlInterruptedAgain · 23/02/2021 10:50

Little ladies in big cars. Nuff said.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/02/2021 11:03

@GirlInterruptedAgain

Little ladies in big cars. Nuff said.
Right, yes, women should only be allowed to drive Fiestas and small Fiats Hmm
Chewingle · 23/02/2021 11:11

I’m curious about the reaction of the boy’s parents

LouJ85 · 23/02/2021 11:12

He was an idiot for having the car on the road. She was a cow for the way she acted. You’re a perfectly normal aunt who’s pissed at her nephew being upset and still acknowledging he was a bit of an idiot. Absolutely no need for you or anyone else to flog yourself over the matter.

Agree with this summary.

BertramLacey · 23/02/2021 11:15

It was a road with just one lane either direction and a grass verge. They were ON THE ROAD, walking side by side, in the fucking DARK.

Other things that appear on rural roads, in the dark:
Sheep, deer, cattle, dogs, fallen trees. Oh, and somewhat randomly a wild boar on one occasion. They don't wear anything reflective either. Doing the speed limit or just below may still be too fast - it is after all a limit, not a recommendation. You do need to stop in the distance you can see to be clear, which if you're driving on headlights rather than full beam means 40mph iirc. People will walk on rural roads. I encountered a jogger out the other evening, running towards me, round a bend, in the pissing rain with drifting fog. I avoided her and didn't shout at her, but then I was doing 35mph even though the limit was 60, because 35 was appropriate for the conditions.

BobbidyBob · 23/02/2021 11:18

When she pulled up I was too busy hating that car and what it had just done to get my brain into gear.... She didn't get that apology and I'm really surprised at myself about that.

I think this is the crucial part, OP. With a clear head, you’d have apologised. But your head wasn’t clear - shock, anger - so you didn’t. You’d have expected an apology/for the driver not to be so angry, but in all likelihood her head wasn’t clear either. She might also be surprised by her own behaviour and feeling bad about it. No matter what the very righteous posters think on here about how they’d have reacted, it’s all just idealistic words until it actually happens to them too. I think you’ve been really gracious with your responses here.

DN has learned a hard lesson, it seems likely that this was an intentional act and you’re doing the right thing by not buying another and using it as a learning point. Good on you.

MrPickles73 · 23/02/2021 17:23

she may have been in shock? I would have been terrified if something popped out in the road and I ran it over. He shouldnt be playing next to the road where cars are passing.

lily2403 · 23/02/2021 17:24

What a bitch, taking enjoyment of a kid crying.

I’m sure the child learnt a lesson.

There was no accident caused, plus aren’t drivers supposed to be aware of what’s going on not only on road but on the pavements?
What if the young child had ran on the road (it happens) would she have turned back and said did you enjoy that?
She should have kept going or said I’m sorry your car got crushed I just didn’t see it then go