Biden's not a dog's dinner: Champ, Major (and Snowflake) know a President when they sniff one (Trump thread #126)

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Part of the defence in the George Floyd case seems to be that he had a heart condition and had taken some drugs.

So police officers restrain people with the assumption that they are healthy, do they? Oh, well, that's OK then [anger]

Two Capitol Police officers injured in hand-to-hand combat during the Jan. 6 insurrection are suing former President Donald Trump for inciting his supporters, many of whom later stormed Congress and formed a mob that assaulted more than 100 officers protecting lawmakers.
www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/03/31/two-capitol-police-officers-sue-trump-478687

Hansen was a great witness. I do think it's unfair to call it 'arguing' with counsel and the court when all she was doing was trying to explain an answer.
The judge says it's not up to her to decide when she has answered her question or words to that effect

Ridiculous defence.
My DH has a 'heart condition'. He's fine and dandy (and mowing the lawn at the moment!).
He wouldn't be fine if his neck was knelt on for 9 minutes.

I didn't feel Hansen was 'arguing' at all. She was just trying to be sure that the defense understood that she wasn't going to back down from what she said despite them trying to change the meaning of her words or put their words in her mouth. Their treatment of her bordered on badgering as far as I'm concerned. And I certainly didn't see her arguing with the judge.

I wonder if that judge is a Republican/Doofus supporter. He certainly acts like it. I've noticed him sitting there resting his chin on his hand looking bored or half asleep during witness testimony describing the brutal treatment. V disrespectful and gives the impression that he doesn't consider the testimony worthy of one's full attention. What message does that send the jury, I wonder!

The Matt Gaetz situation has me a bit gleeful. DH said he read an article that said that this whole thing is the result of a different (unrelated) investigation that was started by Barr at Doofus' behest.

A $25m 'extortion' attempt by a former DoJ employee based on a 'false allegation'? Don't make me laugh. There might not always be fire where there's smoke, but in this case the building is already a conflagration.

You might enjoy this Aaron Rupar twitter thread then AcrossthePond55

Full video thread of Matt Gaetz's bonkers appearance on Tucker Carlson Tonight -- one Carlson described as among "the weirdest interviews I've ever conducted."
twitter.com/atrupar/status/1377069782411866114?s=21

Or to avoid watching Fox and Carlson

www.newsweek.com/matt-gaetz-tucker-carlson-weirdest-interview-sex-trafficking-allegations-1580021

The US inherited a lot of English common law. One principle is that you "take your victim as you find them", also known as the "eggshell skull" situation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

The Matt Gaetz stuff is weird, especially him saying to Tucker Carlson ... you know I had dinner with you and your wife and this woman, two years ago' all whilst TC is looking even more gormless than normal.
Then afterwards Carlson saying he couldn't remember that at all.
It was only 2 years ago! He must have a memory problem...

@AcrossthePond55

The Matt Gaetz situation has me a bit gleeful. DH said he read an article that said that this whole thing is the result of a different (unrelated) investigation that was started by Barr at Doofus' behest.

A $25m 'extortion' attempt by a former DoJ employee based on a 'false allegation'? Don't make me laugh. There might not always be fire where there's smoke, but in this case the building is already a conflagration.

I agree with you about Hansen.

With regards to Gaetz, I'm trying to figure out what the buggery is going on.

I did watch the clip of Tucker interviewing Gaetz. Gaetz trying to bring Tucker in as a witness and Tucker quickly denying any knowledge/memory of the dinner

[quote DuncinToffee] this clip from yesterday's trial where the judge castigates Genevieve Clara Hansen, tells her to "not argue with counsel, and specifically do not argue with the court"

twitter.com/atrupar/status/1377015236830576647?s=21[/quote]
He also says that it is counsel's prerogative to ask her leading questions? Is that really the case in US courts? Over here it's a definite no-no: ask a leading question and get your wrist slapped by the judge.

[quote DGRossetti]The US inherited a lot of English common law. One principle is that you "take your victim as you find them", also known as the "eggshell skull" situation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull[/quote]
The defence in this case would amount to "I didn't mean to", which is no defence in law. It goes along with "ignorance of the law is no excuse"; ignorance of his heart condition is no excuse.

Unless "I didn't mean to" is a defence in US law, which I find a bit unlikely.

I'm wary of over comparison of UK (by which I mean English) law and US law. There are some fundamental differences in philosophy.

However it does seem to exist in the US too.

www.law.cornell.edu/wex/eggshell_skull_rule

The bottom line is if you do something wrong - say excessive force - then you own the consequences of that. In theory at least.

In practice I have no doubt that courts can find ways to fiddle that one if they want to let a defendant off. A uniting feature of UK and US jurisprudence.

He also says that it is counsel's prerogative to ask her leading questions? Is that really the case in US courts?

Leading questions are generally not allowed in direct examination, but they are generally allowed in cross-examination.

Fox on Fauci:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/joe-scarborough-fox-news-peter-navarro_n_60646d7dc5b6a38505e15d10?ri18n=true

www.newsweek.com/javier-ambler-bodycam-video-1580049?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1617199732

'Body camera footage captured Javier Ambler pleading that he had congestive heart failure and couldn't breathe as two Texas sheriff's deputies repeatedly shocked him with stun guns.

The video was published by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV in June last year after months of record requests about Ambler's death.'

Someone at A&E Network should definitely be in deep, deep trouble for destroying the evidence of a murder, which they had on film.

www.politicalflare.com/2021/03/trump-announces-hes-thinking-about-holding-a-rally-soon-to-let-everybody-know-theres-hope-in-the-future/

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/31/texas-court-appeal-crystal-mason-prison-voting-ineligible

'Texas’ highest criminal appeals court said Wednesday it would hear an appeal from a Texas woman who was sentenced to five years in prison for voting while inadvertently ineligible in 2016.

The case has attracted national attention because of the severity of the sentence and the woman, Crystal Mason, said she did not know she was ineligible to vote at the time.'

Donald Trump video clip removed from Facebook ‘in line with block’.
www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/31/facebook-donald-trump-video-clip-removed?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Facebook on Wednesday removed a clip of an interview with Donald Trump from its platform, according to the former president’s daughter-in-law Lara Trump.

In a post shared to her Instagram account, Lara Trump, who is a Fox News commentator, shared a message from Facebook officials alerting her they had removed a video teaser of an upcoming interview with her father-in-law on Fox News.

“This guidance applies to all campaign accounts and Pages, including Team Trump, other campaign messaging vehicles on our platforms, and former surrogates,” the email, posted to Instagram stated.

It added that “any further content posted in the voice of Donald Trump will be removed and result in additional limitations on the accounts”.

[quote DuncinToffee]You might enjoy this Aaron Rupar twitter thread then AcrossthePond55

Full video thread of Matt Gaetz's bonkers appearance on Tucker Carlson Tonight -- one Carlson described as among "the weirdest interviews I've ever conducted."
twitter.com/atrupar/status/1377069782411866114?s=21[/quote]
In that interview Gaetz didn't specifically allege that this supposed employee 'made allegations' of improper conduct, just that they would make them 'go away'. To me that implies that there are allegations there in the first place. His saying the allegations are 'false' seems to be an afterthought.

[quote DGRossetti]The US inherited a lot of English common law. One principle is that you "take your victim as you find them", also known as the "eggshell skull" situation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull[/quote]
Very interesting and informative!! Thank you!

I watched a part of POTUS speech about his $2trillion 'once in a generation' infrastructure plan.

He sounded good, he welcomed input, he knows he has a helluva job in front of him to get any Repubs on board.

What I found interesting was the corporation tax rise from 21% to 28% but then it was said it was 35% before Trump came to power and he was the one who slashed it to 21% in the last 4 years.

Whilst this part might be an unholy battle for months, the next part of his plan is seriously going to rattle Repubs, the American Families Plan, due to be unveiled in the next few weeks.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/31/georgia-citizens-arrest-law-ahmaud-arbery

Apols if this has been linked before.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/31/police-officers-sue-donald-trump-injuries-capitol-riot

Two US Capitol Police officers have filed a lawsuit against Donald Trump, accusing him of inciting the deadly 6 January insurrection and saying he was responsible for physical and emotional injuries they suffered as a result.

James Blassingame, a 17-year veteran of the force, and Sidney Hemby, an 11-year veteran, filed the lawsuit on Tuesday in US district court for the District of Columbia seeking damages of at least $75,000 each.

“This is a complaint for damages by US Capitol Police officers for physical and emotional injuries caused by the defendant Donald Trump’s wrongful conduct inciting a riot on January 6, 2021, by his followers trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election,” the lawsuit said.