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Biden's not a dog's dinner: Champ, Major (and Snowflake) know a President when they sniff one (Trump thread #126)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/02/2021 09:02

Thread title inspired by minou123 Smile

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4162151-Whilst-Biden-and-Harris-are-busy-doing-their-jobs-theres-an-Impeachment-Hearing-going-on-125?msgid=104924217#104924217

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/03/2021 18:49

Fair enough! I was just pointing out that there are DutchEnglish similarities as well as the bits that make you gulp and scratch your head.

Mind you, coming from up north and understanding Geordie a bit helped no end with Anglo Saxon as well. Maybe someone from Cumbria would find Dutch easier too.

DGRossetti · 05/03/2021 19:04

Apropos of historical pronunciation, here's a rabbit hole ..

www.youtube.com/channel/UChnRk6mxWsSOGElm8phdSxw

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/03/2021 19:11

It isn't just the pronunciation; it is instantly recognising words -- like gate as meaning road rather than field-closure.

I wonder how many of those have made it over to standard use in America?

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2021 20:15

More Psaki

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

REPORTER: Americans are saying immigrant surges are happening under President Biden's watch

PSAKI: Who are the Americans?

REPORTER: The former president

PSAKI: Former President Trump?

REPORTER: Yes

PSAKI: We don't take our advice or counsel from former President Trump
t.co/I5d0utFNs9

pointythings · 05/03/2021 20:31

AskingQuestions I find it weirdly easy to read Danish, though I don't speak or understand it much at all. Possibly being fluent in English, Dutch and German helps there. (I am also fluent in French, but that doesn't help much in this instance).

minou123 · 05/03/2021 20:37

[quote DuncinToffee]More Psaki

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

REPORTER: Americans are saying immigrant surges are happening under President Biden's watch

PSAKI: Who are the Americans?

REPORTER: The former president

PSAKI: Former President Trump?

REPORTER: Yes

PSAKI: We don't take our advice or counsel from former President Trump
t.co/I5d0utFNs9[/quote]
I truly love her.

From now on when I'm faced with a difficult question, im going to ask myself "What would Jen Psaki say?"Grin

Blueberries0112 · 05/03/2021 20:41
DGRossetti · 05/03/2021 21:05

Many years ago I saw "The Vanishing" - a Dutch film. It was interesting how every so often a very English pronunciation would appear in the language.

There's nothing funnier that hearing someone who is bi-lingual switch pronunciation mid sentence. A friend of my Dads was giving directions once in beautiful Italian until they dropped North Circular Road into the sentence in pure Estuary English.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/03/2021 21:24

@pointythings

AskingQuestions I find it weirdly easy to read Danish, though I don't speak or understand it much at all. Possibly being fluent in English, Dutch and German helps there. (I am also fluent in French, but that doesn't help much in this instance).
Heh! A problem the Danes also claim to have. Not speaking it or understanding it, I mean.
lionheart · 05/03/2021 21:36

I don't think there is a will or if it would do any good.

edition.cnn.com/2021/03/05/politics/lofgren-social-media-report-gop-lawmakers/index.html

'Washington (CNN)Democratic Rep. Zoe Lofgren has quietly posted a nearly 2,000-page report documenting social media posts by her Republican colleagues who voted against certifying results of the presidential election on January 6. The information compiled isn't secret, but the report is another sign of the deep distrust that has settled into the US Capitol in the weeks since the insurrection.

The report chronicles the social media activity of members on public forums immediately before the November election and right after the January 6 riot. The report has been online for a week.'

TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/03/2021 22:39

Paul Ryan - I'd forgotten all about him! Hindsight makes him seem almost 'normal' now...

Former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is slated to host a virtual fundraiser for House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) amid backlash she received for speaking out against former President Trump.
thehill.com/homenews/house/541874-paul-ryan-to-host-fundraiser-for-cheney-amid-gop-tensions

Ryan also had a turbulent relationship with the former president during his time as House speaker, with Trump repeatedly attacking the Wisconsin Republican.

Ryan's decision to host the fundraiser comes at a time when the party grapples with the direction it should head in the post-Trump era.

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EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 05/03/2021 22:46

Many years ago I saw "The Vanishing" - a Dutch film

Utterly missing the point of the thread here, but it’s such a good film.
Interestingly, the original Dutch book that it’s based on was actually called “the golden egg” (in Dutch) but when it was translated to English it was renamed to The Vanishing. There’s also an English language remake of the original Dutch film (because heaven forbid we deal with subtitles). Sorry. Back to the thread now...

Zizzagaaaaahttss · 05/03/2021 22:48

Is this a trump bashing thread?

Zizzagaaaaahttss · 05/03/2021 22:52

A crisis is a terrible thing to create. This, nonetheless, is what President Biden has done at the southern border.

His rhetoric during the campaign suggesting an open-handed approach to migrants coming to the US, and his early moves to undo Donald Trump’s border policies, are creating a migrant surge that risks running out of control.

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas says the situation isn’t a crisis, but “a challenge” — an “acute” and “stressful” challenge with some “urgency,” but merely a challenge all the same.

Consider the contours of this challenge. Twice as many people, about 80,000, tried to cross the border illegally in January of this year as compared with January a year ago.

Even though it isn’t peak traveling season yet (that traditionally comes in May and June), the US Border Patrol has already begun releasing migrants into US towns on the border.

Axios reported on a briefing prepared for Biden that warned that the number of migrant kids is on pace to set a record, and there aren’t nearly enough beds to accommodate them.

Biden officials tend to discuss the “push factors,” the conditions that prompt migrants to flee their countries in Central America. But changing those underlying conditions, even if doable, is a long-term proposition. What we have much more direct control over is the “pull factors,” our own policies and practices that create an incentive to come here.

Trump had a number of false starts at the border, but, by the end, had created an entirely reasonable system based on his lawful authorities to impose order at the border. There is no good reason to rip up much of this arrangement, though that’s exactly what Biden has done.

During the pandemic, Trump turned around illegal crossers at the border on public-health grounds. Biden has created an exception for unaccompanied minors, which is an obvious incentive for families to send children under age 18.

Under Trump, the Migration Protection Protocols, also known as Remain in Mexico, ended the practice of letting Central American migrants into the US while their asylum claims were adjudicated.

This was crucial because, under the old arrangement, asylum seekers were allowed in while their claims were considered. Even if the claims were ultimately rejected, as the vast majority of them were, the migrants overwhelmingly ended up staying anyway. This was a huge magnet to migrants — get to the border and claim asylum and you’re in the United States, very likely to stay.

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Biden has trashed the Migrant Protection Protocols. No new asylum seekers will be enrolled in the program, and the backlog of people who had been waiting in Mexico are being admitted into the United States.

He’s also suspended the so-called “safe third-country” agreements that Trump forged with El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras to get asylum-seekers to apply in one of those countries.

The premise of the overall Trump approach was that people who feared for their lives in their home country because of persecution don’t necessarily need to come to the United States to escape. It should be enough for them to go to another country in the region, or if they are indeed applying for US asylum, to stay in Mexico while doing so.

Allowing them into the United States, with no reliable internal enforcement mechanism, constitutes an end-run around our immigration system. Because migrants, like anyone else, respond to incentives, the more who are allowed in, the more will come. And, since our resources aren’t infinite, if enough families show up at the border, it inevitably overtaxes our personnel and facilities.

Even if Biden has different priorities, it makes no sense to create a willy-nilly rush at the border before a supposedly better system is in place (whatever that might be).

Mayorkas blames Trump for having “dismantled our nation’s immigration system in its entirety,” a claim as absurd as the notion that the Biden administration started from scratch on vaccinations.

Trump got a handle on the border, which in 2014 and 2019 had spun out of control. Call it what you will, a crisis or a challenge, but Biden is on a path to heedlessly repeat this experience.

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2021 23:03

The Dutch title of the film is 'Spoorloos' (without a trace).

PerkingFaintly · 05/03/2021 23:06

Hey, Zizzagaaaaahttss. It's helpful if you put the source of what you C&P. We usually try to do that on these threads as general good practice.

It's particularly important when dealing with entities which lie wholesale, of course. Otherwise one wastes a lot of time dealing with stuff which is just fiction.

(NB Your C&P might not be, but I can't tell as, no source. Plus there are often links to follow to greater context, eg about how Trump had "a handle on the border" in 2019 but at the same time it "spun out of control".)

Zizzagaaaaahttss · 05/03/2021 23:15

Here you go
nypost.com/2021/03/04/the-new-border-chaos-a-crisis-of-bidens-own-making/

HoneysuckIejasmine · 05/03/2021 23:21

Cool story, Zizza

Zizzagaaaaahttss · 05/03/2021 23:24

How do you all feel about the 2.1 million election votes that are going to be forensically audited in maricopa county?

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2021 23:24

You know that The New York Post is a conservative-leaning newspaper with a Right-wing to Far-right Political alignment?

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2021 23:27

@Zizzagaaaaahttss

How do you all feel about the 2.1 million election votes that are going to be forensically audited in maricopa county?
Waste of time and money
Blueberries0112 · 05/03/2021 23:34

For over 1000 years , people have been crossing the border of Mexico. Only recently we told them to stop. We got corn and such from Central America so that itself is a proof of it. Look up mexican Kickapoo and few other native tribes.

I am not worrying about it. As long we keep documenting people who come and goes, that’s all it matters

Blueberries0112 · 05/03/2021 23:35

I do hope Mexico and US will work together more too

PerkingFaintly · 05/03/2021 23:35

Thanks. That does indeed have links to more context, eg re the funding that was cut in the last few years, to programs in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.

It also links to this in the NY Post's News section (rather than Opinion section –and NB at least one link in that Opinion piece is to a News article which does not say what the Opinion piece claims it does. So caveat lector):

Honduran migrant traveling to US says Biden is ‘going to help all of us’
nypost.com/2021/01/19/honduran-migrant-traveling-to-us-says-biden-is-going-to-help-all-of-us/

[...]
Last month, Biden said he would not immediately roll back President Trump’s asylum restrictions at the Mexican border.
The incoming commander-in-chief said at the time that his initial pledge to roll back his predecessor’s immigration policies within his first 100 days would be delayed in order to avoid “2 million people on our border.”

Instead, he said he would work with Congress to get the funding needed to put asylum judges in place to hear the backlog of cases — a process that he warned could take up to six months.

Speaking to reporters weeks before the new year, Biden confirmed reports that his team was concerned about the spike in illegal immigrants, including children and families, being detained at the border in the wake of his election victory.

“I’ve already started discussing these issues with the president of Mexico and our friends in Latin America and the timeline is to do it so that we in fact make it better, not worse,” Biden said at a press conference in Wilmington, Del., when asked about the rollout of his new immigration policies.