We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

@turquoisewaters You really need to read up on how the EU functions

[quote DoubleTweenQueen]@DynamoKev Having not started a thread of that sort myself, I’m not in a position to say. However, I have seen a few that seem to be on the lookout for benefits as and when they might arise? Or alternatively changes/repercussions, good or bad. Discussion on any subject is generally a good thing.

I don’t understand your ‘other side of the same coin’ comment. How is posting untrue and generalised nonsense the same as starting a thread requesting comment?[/quote]
I don’t understand your ‘other side of the same coin’ comment. How is posting untrue and generalised nonsense the same as starting a thread requesting comment?
They are equally pointless aren't they?
Nothing a leave voter ever posts will ever be treated with anything other than massive sneering and superiority as your post above illustrates, and it's just a lie to say your are earnestly trying to seek the advantages to Brexit.

What you and 99% of contributors are trying to do is illustrate your perceived intellectual superiority and how there is no possible way anyone with a brain could have voted leave - your disingenuous "but we're just asking a question (as if it isn't asked most weeks) doesn't fool anyone.

All these threads are 99% a pile-on to any leave voter by virtue-signalling remain supporters who wish to demonstrate how correct they are.

@Magnificentmug12

Brexit isn’t pain free. Kids having to pay more too travel to the E U....can’t get too worked up about it, small compromise to me.

Small compromise for what gain?

Can you give some specific examples of Brexit gains?

@turquoisewaters
Countries that are in the EU

• set their own employment laws
• set their own tax rates
• set their own immigration rules
• decide their own electoral systems
• choose their own governments
• set their own criminal codes and court systems

Because they are sovereign

But when it comes to setting standards and trade deals
they work as a team and get the EU folks to coordinate their wishes

A bit like Councils working through the LGA
or unions through the TUC
or doctors through the BMA
or accountants through their professional bodies.

Brexit rejects that, but provides no alternative

What do you mean by this? We can make decisions here, it's not like we are living in a state of anarchy because we've left the EU

If some legislation needs to be amended to make up for what's no longer applicable, it will.

Why would you trust some random person sitting on the European Parliament, the UN or the WHO for instance over your fellow nationals? Do you think their motives are always wholesome and unbiased?

This sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory. Do you think they just have it in for the UK or all member states ?

What makes you think the leader of a particular political party has the best interests of the whole county at heart? There have been some suspect political decisions recently (nothing to do with Brexit) where mates of cabinet ministers have won contracts which are not particularly in the public interest. Why is the EU bad but corruption at national level OK with you?

@DynamoKev That is such BS. I do not sneer at anyone. I imagine you feel that way because you have nothing else to say, so you must turn on me and try to invalidate anything I have to say, or deflect from any question to which you have no answer.

@lifeturnsonadime

I was trying to refute the view that the UK needs to be 'kept in check' by a supranational body (which implies that a supranational body by definition would never be corrupt)

I don't think it is reasonable to expect those who didn't vote for Brexit to shut up about it.

It impacts too much.

I don't think people are sneering either, just a bit flabbergasted that people are seeking to still claim that this was in the county's best interests even when no real tangible benefits can be shown.

And this so called sneering. How come leave voters never seem to have a problem with their own side calling implying they're thick and saying you didn't have a clue what you were voting for (Dominic Cummings) ? Or told that they were "taken by the hand and led down the garden path" (Aaron Banks) ?

But how were we being 'kept in check'? How and in what way were our national decisions being supervised?

What we were unable to do when in the EU that we can do now? (other than the obvious set our own trade tariffs )

I call out misinformation, which is rife. If I’m incorrect, show me the evidence/source. That’s it for me.

"I was trying to refute the view that the UK needs to be 'kept in check' by a supranational body"

Ok, what about our water? The EU forced us through courts to abide by the agreements we'd made and to clean up our beaches. Our own government had done little until forced. So I guess you'll be reminiscing about the days when we could swim in sewage and looking forward to they're return?

I can almost smell the sovereignty now.

Oh, and they were after our air as well!

Is it about 30,000 people a year our polluted air kills?

What we were unable to do when in the EU that we can do now?

Swim in sewage as mentioned. Can't wait!

@Kendodd You could even argue, our ‘sovereignty' within the EU was actually strengthened and had further reach, due to our major role and influence, yet our opt-out position. But of course, I wouldn’t dare.

In my local area I don't think anyone utiliised the FOM apart from short holidays. Most people who backpacked , went to South East Asia and the people who emigrated, went to Australia, NZ, Canada and USA.

@Shitfuckcommaetc

Agree, people weren't duped, they were too blinded to see what they were throwing away, trapped in a vision of Britain and Empire

Not at all. Perfectly normal people with a proper view of the modern world. We just had different opinions to you.

Which developed country is 'swimming in sewage' in 2021?

To all Remainers:

Do you think people dying because of the UK having to accept qualifications from EU doctors is a benefit of remaining in the EU?

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/17/gmc-calls-tougher-powers-check-european-doctors-skills

There was another incident I recall where an Italian doctor who was not an actual surgeon operated on someone in the UK and the patient died (cannot find the link now as it was old)

And before anyone starts, I quote from the Guardian article:

The requirements for doctors from elsewhere in the world are tougher

Difference being, in a general election you vote for a person to understand and decide policy for you. In the referendum we were expected to understand and decide policy ourselves.

The other huge difference is that in a GE, mistakes made at one ballot box can be corrected a few years later at the next. But the Fuxit Brexit referendum was a once-in-a-generation decision which we're now stuck with for goodness knows how long.

I could scream at the stupidity, the number of times I've heard people say they voted Leave because they don't want any more Muslims coming here.

You and me both, OP. Muslim immigration usually comes from outside the EU, so wouldn't be affected by Brexit anyway.

@turquoisewaters would you like to see the data ? It's not as zingy as your dramatic language but confirms that, as with all things, there are areas where you're more likely to die in the uk (heart attacks and breast cancer for example) and areas where you're more likely to die in the EU.