Refusing to meet up with a vaccine refuser?

[BlueSoop]

MIL has been offered a vaccine appointment. MIL’s cohabiting partner has refused the vaccine. Myself, DH and DC have not yet been vaccinated.

This morning MIL has read the news about family meet-ups possibly being allowed by Easter and wants to make a plan. It’s possible that DH and I may have had our first jab by then.

WIBU to say I don’t want to meet up with a vaccine refuser? Close contact with a vaccine refuser is introducing a risk into our family that wouldn’t otherwise be present. Plus he’s trying to talk MIL out of having the vaccine so if that happens I won’t want to meet up with her either.

If meet ups happen then plan nearer the time? There's no point in making plans only to cancel them as that is just hugely disappointing.

You'd better never visit a shop museum or cafe ever again, just in case someone there hasn't had the vaccine

OP, I wouldn’t worry about this issue at the moment. But, when we can meet up again (in doors) I would happily say you are avoiding those who haven’t had the vaccine. People may choose not to have the vaccine but they do not get to insist fiends and relatives socialise with them.

YABU.
I can't believe the amount of falling out and no contact people are willing to go with friends/family because if this.
Whether I have the vaccine or not is a personal decision that I wont be sharing with anyone, especially if I am going to be ostracised by someone for not doing the same as them.

I’m pregnant and then I’ll be breastfeeding so no vaccine for me. Thankfully none of my friends or family are refusing to see me. 🙄

What happens once vaccinations finish? Are you going to refuse to see somebody in a decade because they didn’t have a vaccine ten years ago?

He is a moron but unfortunately is your mother's choice so you are stuck with him in your life.

If you have had your vaccines then you may as well meet up as even the risk is to him not you.

What nonsense. My DIL isn't having it, neither are my son and dgc. Are you saying I shouldn't see any of them ever again? Once you've been vaccinated, you're protected.

Well you can continue to live a half life and continue missing out on things like seeing your own family due to a minuscule risk (especially if you’re already vaccinated) but personally I think you’ll never feel truly alive or safe again if you can’t shed at least some of the fear you appear to be holding onto.

From a news article,
"the Princess revealed that her son had been named after his great-great-great-great-great-grandfather Prince Albert, Queen Victoria’s consort, whose middle name was Augustus.
The choice of Philip was made as a touching tribute to the Duke of Edinburgh".

Wrong thread.

In the Pfizer trial the outcome measured was positive PCR test PLUS multiple symptoms of covid.

Of the 20,000 people in the control group approximately 190 people were flagged as "positive cases with multiple symptoms" and in the vaccinated group of 20,000 it was only 8 or 9 people.

In normal conditions this sort of trial would need to be repeated several times in order to ascertain the "true" efficacy, however on the basis of the one trial the vaccine was given emergency approval.

95% efficacy comes from dividing the number of disease cases (as defined above)in the vaccine group by the number of disease cases in the control group, which works out around 0.05%. Subtracting this from 1 gives 0.95 (i.e. 95% efficacy).

It means that there were fewer people who got covid and multiple symptoms in the vaccinated group than the control group, but it absolutely does not mean that it prevented 95% of vaccinated people from catching covid, or from getting severe symptoms.

99% of the control group (without covid vax) were flagged as NOT "positive cases with symptoms" in the trial. In the vaccinated group it was much closer to 100%.

Even though this is evidence that the vaccine has some "efficacy", it was based on the very small number of 200 "positive cases with symptoms" out of a total of 40,000 people.

It is not correct to equate efficacy with likelihood of not catching covid.

It is not right to think that an unvaccinated person is infectious simply be nature of being unvaccinated. And it is not right to think that 95% of vaccinated people are "safe" to hang out with. This is not what efficacy means.

www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext

Those refusing the vaccine are poorly informed about the amply demonstrated risks to themselves and to others. Do they also believe the earth is flat? Can we please move beyond fake news? What a sad commentary on the educational system does not teach critical thinking--to say nothing of how profoundly anti-social their behaviour is.

@KatieB55

Ridiculous! The vaccine doesn't prevent you getting or transmitting Covid and it is not 100% effective. You can choose to take the vaccine to try & reduce your chance of complications.

Again...

It’s interesting that so many people are so confident that vaccines do not prevent transmission when all the scientists have been saying it is just too early to know one way or another.

We are starting to see data coming through that shows the Pfizer vaccine does reduce transmission.

pfizer vaccine's immunity after one dose is 50%--and this is a mean, so doesn't mean you have 50% chance of not/catching it

@crowisland

pfizer vaccine's immunity after one dose is 50%--and this is a mean, so doesn't mean you have 50% chance of not/catching it

It’s 85% not 50%

It's like another Brexit isn't it? People falling out over whether they will have it or not.

the side-effects of covid are obv MUCH worse than the statistically irrelevant side-effects of the vaccine. Get your facts in order. Best evidence: every doctor and her/his family will choose to be vaccinated. Did you go to medical school?

How is he putting you at risk? It protects the person who has the vaccine an no one else.

Once you've been vaccinated, you're protected.

Um, no the vaccine is what? 94% effective? If I and my family had been vaccinated I’m not sure I’d be taking the risk to be in close proximity with a willingly unvaccinated person in case we’re one of the unlucky 6%. That aside I’m mortally repulsed by anti vaxxers

BooFuckingHoo2
Please look up the meaning of efficacy in the sense of a vaccine. It truly does not mean that 94% of recipients are protected by the vaccine and 6 % aren't. This is nonsense.

Also I would hope a vaccine refusing teacher wouldn't be allowed in classes of 30 kids.

As the law currently stands vaccine refusing teachers have, and will, be allowed in classes of 30 kids. Where on earth did you hear differently?

PhilCornwall1

Hwory
Me and my kids won't be hanging around anyone refusing to have the vaccine.

If their choice whether to have it but it's my choice what risks I take with myself and my children.

And how are you going to know they've not had it, if they don't say anything. If asked, people could just say that they've had it“

In my (admittedly limited, 3 people and I’m 56) experience of anti-vaxxers , that’s the very last thing they would do. They’ve wanted everyone to know and why, in gear detail.

[complete, irrelevant aside, Phil, are you Cornish, my ‘’ansome? Wondered since I joined]

Great, not gear. Fat fingers at it again.

@GabriellaMontez

Will you be screening your colleagues? People on public transport? Anyone working in your home?

This.

Hahahaha your position is absolutely bonkers. Have you asked them for bloods to be taken to check that their other vaccines haven't worn off too??