To ask what impacts of brexit you have seen in your day to day life?

[Bregxit]

Any whether good or bad
Yabu-yes I have
Yanbu-no I haven’t

I posted yesterday that Ulster Bank was thinking about pulling out of the Republic of Ireland market and they have gone and made their decision:

www.thejournal.ie/ulster-bank-gone-5359194-Feb2021/

This is a definite impact of Brexit.

I can only hope a bank from another EU state comes in and sees the potential in the Irish financial market.

I have told you that I see/am working with tangible business benefits to Brexit. Specifically, in my case, to being outside State Aid rules

Doesn't the FTA still bar state aid where it undermines EU competitiveness? the EU can then impose agreed penalties.

Also, i can remember when the UK was outside state aid and it didn't help us one bit.

There will be/are advantages to brexit but just as you want remainers to acknowledge upside, perhaps you might try and accept the very many downsides?
The most worrying being the effects on FS and the City of London, the tax take losses are huge and the SE as a whole pays for most of the UK.

@CherryRoulade

What is the data showing? Do we have drops in higher age groups already?

Yes we do - which is good, but then so do other countries, so not necessarily entirely down to vaccination.

The risk with single dose longer term is unknown. If we go outside of license there is no guarantee or evidence that immunity will be sustained. The planning for second doses is, at best, vague. It has already been suggested that there may be supply and delivery chain problems. My best guess is most will not get a second dose. That potentially leaves U.K. with much lower immunity within society.

Sort term propaganda headlines are not necessarily good for anything except hiding bad news.

Our death rate is appalling. Our hospitals remain in super surge and yet the military support is already being withdrawn (not a vote winning headline now), NHS hospitals are already losing support provided by independent sector to maintain elective work at government behest.

There’s some good news today thankfully, still based on one dose. Very relieved that it sounds good.

I was doing a zooplus order earlier and some things only let you order one of each.
(Cat food and cat litter)

I think they said they might do this in their Brexit email in December.

@jasjas1973

I have told you that I see/am working with tangible business benefits to Brexit. Specifically, in my case, to being outside State Aid rules

Doesn't the FTA still bar state aid where it undermines EU competitiveness? the EU can then impose agreed penalties.

Also, i can remember when the UK was outside state aid and it didn't help us one bit.

There will be/are advantages to brexit but just as you want remainers to acknowledge upside, perhaps you might try and accept the very many downsides?
The most worrying being the effects on FS and the City of London, the tax take losses are huge and the SE as a whole pays for most of the UK.

It is complicated, but as I understand it the UK is still bound by the subsidy rules of the WTO and the TCA agreement with the EU stipulates that the UK must develop and impose its own state aid regime to prevent unlawful (as defined by the agreement) subsidies that affect competitive trade between the UK and the EU. There is no carryover of the EU's state aid rules.

This does potentially leave the UK with a smallish window to impose a less onerous regime, but as others have pointed out, our history on this is not so clear. Many directives had their origins in the UK and it has been routine for the UK to add additional measures when transposing them into UK law. Also, the fact that this is governed by the TCA means that the EU will get to judge and react to any regime imposed and can reduce market access if they feel it is not sufficiently robust.

I'm guessing this is one of the many loose ends that our new unelected brexit renegotiation minister Lord Frost will be tasked with dealing with now that he has tantrummed his way into the cabinet.

As for brexit impacts, apart from the four years of slowly being excluded and sidelined in pan-european collaborations at work, the biggest personal impact has been on getting things shipped from the EU. Regardless of those saying this is COVID related, this was not an issue in December but has been one since January. It very obviously was a cliff edge that was caused by Brexit. It has yet to get better.

@brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

My daughter can’t order the Norris Nuts clothing item she wants from Australia because of failed Brexit

Why would Brexit affect trade with Australia ?

@bagamoyo1

Perhaps because, like many globally shipped goods, they arrive through a major port like Rotterdam.

My European colleagues are all leaving - they are some of the best minds in the business. We ar no longer able to apply for any European grants, which was a major income stream for us. So we are losing terrific people and an awful lot of money (RG university).

Import taxes long delivery delays, stock shortages in M&S and Iceland. From a business perspective relying on UK stocks it is a disaster transferring orders sources suppliers from Holland.

Regardless of those saying this is COVID related, this was not an issue in December but has been one since January. It very obviously was a cliff edge that was caused by Brexit. It has yet to get better

Thats a very good point, in November December or earlier, i had no issues getting bike parts and clothing, prices hadn't risen either here or in europe.

Irish here and a few xmas gifts from UK have been turned away at the border. Can't order from a few UK stores now. We have family in UK and usually catch the ferry with our dog- not sure how that'll change now too.

strewth ! the poms who whinged about the EU have really flushed us down the dunny

i) I had to waste an our of my time yesterday in a meeting about a shipment of hand dryers that are stuck somewhere between Spain and our office because nobody knows how to do the paperwork.

ii) I ordered something from Czechia in January that arrived with a £75 bill (representing 25% of the cost of the items) for processing through customs and other import formalities.

I concede that both of these examples are petty first-world problems, but they easily outweigh all of the negatives of being in the EU that have happened to me during my life. And all because the mouth-breathing 52% didn't like the thought of hearing people speaking Polish in the street.

All I can say is that there were calls to hold a second vote once it was clearer what the leave vote actually meant (I really don't think that was obvious when the original referendum was held) and that was shouted down.
I wonder if the great British public would have passed it through a second time if they had known what they do now, and it will go down as one of life's mysteries.

Interesting statistic at the moment...haven’t we seen this before somewhere 52- 48% but in reverse!

I have told you that I see/am working with tangible business benefits to Brexit.

but what are they? you went on about tangible business benefits, but your post gave no actual examples.

Tory history has always been against State Aid.
I doubt that will change in reality
www.cityam.com/uk-to-split-from-eu-rules-and-unveil-post-brexit-state-aid-regime/

[quote ListeningQuietly]Tory history has always been against State Aid.
I doubt that will change in reality
www.cityam.com/uk-to-split-from-eu-rules-and-unveil-post-brexit-state-aid-regime/[/quote]
Unless it’s ‘State Aid’ by sneakily giving your mates multimillion pound contracts at vastly inflated prices without any oversight.
See recent Court ruling for details 🤬

I have lost my consultancy - touring British orchestras in Europe and bringing European ones here. Unlikely to ever come back - covid has had a short term impact but having to get visas, carnets and a myriad of paperwork pushes the prices and the quick turnaround British orchestras were famous for out of reach.

The government could have easily done a deal to prevent this, but refused - no idea why as the culture sector was one of Britain’s strongest sectors.

On an immediate level, shortages in shops, son’s long term medication not available so had to go to a different one that isn’t nearly as effective, several orders that I hadn’t even realised were coming from the EU either didn’t arrive, got held up at customs or in some cases refused a UK order. Interestingly, some US orders that have just stopped delivering to UK - states on their website due to Brexit. Am guessing they must have a European delivery hub.

Haven’t seen any positives yet

This is a genuine question. If the impact of Brexit is negative, how long do you think it will be before the UK looks to rejoin the EU in some way?

A follow up question - if they do look to rejoin the EU, do you think the EU will be able to call the shots (e.g. made to join the Euro) as a key to rejoining?

@LookItsMeAgain

This is a genuine question. If the impact of Brexit is negative, how long do you think it will be before the UK looks to rejoin the EU in some way?

A follow up question - if they do look to rejoin the EU, do you think the EU will be able to call the shots (e.g. made to join the Euro) as a key to rejoining?

I suspect that that will depend very much on which government gets elected. I don't see the current regime reapplying, even allowing for their fondness for U turns! I think you are right that if the UK tries to rejoin it will be very much on the EU's terms though. I can't see the concessions which were made before being reinstated and presume we would be treated in the same way any other new country wanting to join would be.

Importing and exporting have definitely seen delays. Northern Ireland in particular. It is dog's dinner.

Actually, it's not. Because dog food supplies are one of the things affected . Especially for allergic dogs who need a more specific food.

I've been trying to buy more British food for a while now so was buying less imported stuff and at this time of year it's all south american/African anyway.

I dont really buy things from European retailers routinely so haven't noticed any impact at all.

Lots of our friends leaving/ planning to leave

My kids being afraid our surname will be 'not safe'

My DH being told to fuck off back to Poland by emboldened shitheads

Significant extra costs on things ordered from abroad and delays to delivery

Some firms refusing to accept orders from UK customers due to the delays and customs charges issues

unmarked five families from our school have returned to France/Italy/Germany. In their case, both parents were EU nationals. For families like us, one Brit/one EU national it’s trickier (I think). Dh has been working here for 26 years but we’ve decided to give it a go in his country. Just need teen dc to finish a level/GCSE’s.