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To ask what impacts of brexit you have seen in your day to day life?

422 replies

Bregxit · 16/02/2021 11:48

Any whether good or bad
Yabu-yes I have
Yanbu-no I haven’t

OP posts:
GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 18/02/2021 00:43

DH’s bike out of action for ages as bike shop couldn’t get the Italian gear components to do the repair.

Sapho47 · 18/02/2021 02:39

Supermarkets are selling oysters now

Sapho47 · 18/02/2021 02:43

@Lipstickandlashes

Had two deliveries from my favourite European brands (ordered in December) turned back at the border.

My company (media) was planning a project in Spain but we'll now have to work on with a local production partner as we're no longer European, halving the potential earnings.

I feel like we've traded a set of imaginary "inconveniences" that the right-wing press convinced us we had, for a set of actual inconveniences that will, to a greater or lesser extent, give us a poorer quality of life.

Cptpp membership is looking on the cards with trump gone and Biden wanting to put America back into it if all that comes together we will have feetrade agreements with over 50% of the world economies.

It seems a much better frame work too being purely trade focuse not politics.

70% rules of origin limit to means we would be very interestingly placed to be a hub between the EU and the USA and Pacific markets

CherryRoulade · 18/02/2021 08:13

*Would you prefer to be at pace with EU?

I was impressed with U.K. vaccine task force two main objectives. First is here, then global situation. We will turn to ROW when crisis is not so dire.*

I would prefer a pan Europe or even global cooperation, as the response.

I would prefer we were more honest in our reporting and had less jingoistic bias in the press. The U.K. is ahead in using the vaccine off licence and without much in terms of second dose plans. I rather suspect second doses will not be offered to many.

There are many countries well ahead of U.K. in terms of full vaccination, as per manufacturers guidance and world view.

U.K. has ‘offered’ more people part-vaccination. That ‘offer’ includes those who are too frail or have no transport to get to the nearest vaccination centre up to forty miles away.

OAZ is far less efficacious than other vaccines, but no clear plan to offer higher level protection to those at higher risk.

There is a degree of Emperors new clothes with U.K. programme, so yes, I would prefer to go with the more usually accepted programmes.

To ask what impacts of brexit you have seen in your day to day life?
MarshaBradyo · 18/02/2021 08:22

@CherryRoulade

*Would you prefer to be at pace with EU?

I was impressed with U.K. vaccine task force two main objectives. First is here, then global situation. We will turn to ROW when crisis is not so dire.*

I would prefer a pan Europe or even global cooperation, as the response.

I would prefer we were more honest in our reporting and had less jingoistic bias in the press. The U.K. is ahead in using the vaccine off licence and without much in terms of second dose plans. I rather suspect second doses will not be offered to many.

There are many countries well ahead of U.K. in terms of full vaccination, as per manufacturers guidance and world view.

U.K. has ‘offered’ more people part-vaccination. That ‘offer’ includes those who are too frail or have no transport to get to the nearest vaccination centre up to forty miles away.

OAZ is far less efficacious than other vaccines, but no clear plan to offer higher level protection to those at higher risk.

There is a degree of Emperors new clothes with U.K. programme, so yes, I would prefer to go with the more usually accepted programmes.

What is the data showing? Do we have drops in higher age groups already?
jasjas1973 · 18/02/2021 08:26

Cptpp membership is looking on the cards with trump gone and Biden wanting to put America back into it if all that comes together we will have freetrade agreements with over 50% of the world economies

You'll have to enlighten me as to why the UK should be a member of a Pacific rim trading bloc? the Pacific bit of CPTPP is surely the part the UK can't get round.
It would be like Vietnam being in the EU.

It looks to me as the UK realises it won't get a FTA with the US now but this agreement gives the politicians a way to say we actually have!

SaltyTootsieToes · 18/02/2021 08:28

I had an or of something I regularly order get caught in the French border closure before Xmas so was delayed come across, so when it eventually came, didn’t have the correct paperwork and didn’t make it across. My supplier is lovely and have full refund

They set up a distributor in NI that I buy from and that works a treat. Pricing is now set in GBP (used to pay in Euros) and same with a set delivery charge that is at a good rate so I’m actually very happy with the arrangement.

Looking forward to the more option of actual duty free shopping at Heathrow when the world go back to new normal.

CherryRoulade · 18/02/2021 08:54

What is the data showing? Do we have drops in higher age groups already?

Yes we do - which is good, but then so do other countries, so not necessarily entirely down to vaccination.

The risk with single dose longer term is unknown. If we go outside of license there is no guarantee or evidence that immunity will be sustained. The planning for second doses is, at best, vague. It has already been suggested that there may be supply and delivery chain problems. My best guess is most will not get a second dose. That potentially leaves U.K. with much lower immunity within society.

Sort term propaganda headlines are not necessarily good for anything except hiding bad news.

Our death rate is appalling. Our hospitals remain in super surge and yet the military support is already being withdrawn (not a vote winning headline now), NHS hospitals are already losing support provided by independent sector to maintain elective work at government behest.

CherryRoulade · 18/02/2021 09:02

Around 8% of British exports go to the 11 countries of the CPTPP; over 40% to the 27 countries of the EU.

CPTPP membership would only be given if we remained the trading gateway to Europe. We don’t.

More promises that can’t deliver to avoid people seeing the true catastrophe of Brexit. Still in 10 years time we might see some advantages, according to Raab.

Livelovebehappy · 18/02/2021 09:06

Bit difficult to judge. Some things that are happening are down to covid restrictions and situations, but some might be due to Brexit. It’s not going to be clear until pre covid life resumes.

DoubleTweenQueen · 18/02/2021 09:51

I think it's fairly straightforward to see the issues caused by the pandemic vs Brexit.

yumscrumfatbum · 18/02/2021 09:55

I've had a couple of orders cancelled, birthday presents from Etsy sellers who now won't ship to the UK. It's had a huge impact on my husbands work. They are unable to ship parts and samples through Europe which is causing all sorts of problems.

LookItsMeAgain · 18/02/2021 10:00

I think it is an exciting time to be living on the island of Ireland.

For the first time in my lifetime (at least) there is a very real possibility of a vote to reunify the 6 counties of Northern Ireland with the 26 in the Republic making one island of Ireland.

All because of Brexit.

WobblyLondoner · 18/02/2021 10:12

Delays getting some furniture I ordered here but which comes from Denmark. Favourite wool supplies (German) out of stock online.

I agree with others pointing out that we have benefitted in terms of vaccines. But I still believe Brexit will result in a huge economic hit that we will take years to recover from.

LookItsMeAgain · 18/02/2021 10:15

Here is a very real consequence of Brexit happening in Ireland:
www.thejournal.ie/ulster-bank-wind-down-5357965-Feb2021/

cooldarkroom · 18/02/2021 10:27

@jasjas1973

I can no longer get stuff sent from EU to the UK now, the companies have just stopped shipping, no tariffs don't mean no non tariff barriers which have added too much cost.

My friends business has had to set up warehousing in EU, job loses in UK.

For info, you can set up an account on Amazon in Europe (ex France) & send presents that way Also on Etsy you can choose which country you want to buy from,
Masterpieceontheshelf · 18/02/2021 17:57

Costs of raw materials for my craft business have gone up
Not worth trying to sell to the EU now
Customs paperwork for the rest of the world a lot more complicated
Can't sell to NI any longer
Building costs (materials and labour) have risen
Food costs have gone up
Post COVID I won't be able to make spontaneous trips to Europe on the Eurostar because of car insurance needed a green card (which has to be posted to me each time)
Mobile data roaming with be expensive and not included in my call package
Lots of police checks on lorries which leads to traffic delays on the motorways near where I work
These are just little things, but mostly I'm just heartbroken we have upset our European friends and isolated ourselves.

Absy · 18/02/2021 18:03

I had one order that kept on being turned back. It took a month to arrive. Another I just cancelled because I couldn’t be bothered.

In my area of work, the industry bodies were saying (2 years ago) that brexit would be an opportunity for the U.K. to set it’s own standards in this area and be more competitive. Instead, the government gold plated the existing EU legislation to make the UK’s requirements more onerous. For future changes at an EU level, there is a non regression clause in the relevant treaty so the U.K. has to adopt the EU standards as minimum, but not have any say in what the standards are. A massive own goal. Also, lots of jobs gone. I’ve been talking to recruiters. The U.K. used to be the hiring hub. It’s now behind Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam, Luxembourg and Dublin.

ListeningQuietly · 18/02/2021 18:11

The UK ALWAYS gold plated EU laws.
Things like the RPA were infinitely more complicated in the EU than in other countries.
Only the UK brought in extra red tape that forced small abattoirs to close - it was not an EU rule.
The UK were always the kings of the red tape
and now have been set free from the shackles of EU rules
to add MORE RED TAPE

Bookriddle · 18/02/2021 18:19

Was hoping my wife was gonna get deported, she hasnt, never mind Grin

MrsAvocet · 18/02/2021 18:34

@GhoulWithADragonTattoo

DH’s bike out of action for ages as bike shop couldn’t get the Italian gear components to do the repair.
To be fair Ghoul (and I am in no shape or form an apologist for Brexit) there is currently a huge worldwide shortage of bike components of all types. It's largely driven by increased demand and decreased production, both due to Covid I tried to order a new bike in October 2020 and was given a provisional delivery date of August 2021, the reason given being that even the big manufacturers cannot source components at present. Brexit certainly won't be helping of course, and I do know of some European companies that are no longer shipping to the UK, but I think that Covid is probably the root cause of the bike industry's current problems as it's really hard to get anything, whether from Europe or Asia.
jasjas1973 · 18/02/2021 22:38

Brexit certainly won't be helping of course, and I do know of some European companies that are no longer shipping to the UK, but I think that Covid is probably the root cause of the bike industry's current problems as it's really hard to get anything, whether from Europe or Asia

I can go to Wiggle or Merlin (UK) and there is no parts stock, go to bike-discount.de or bike24.de and they have stock but no longer ship to UK.
Agree some supply issues are CV related, brexit appears to have made it worse for the UK, things that are available here are more expensive too, this has been an issue for years, its just more pronounced now.

PersonaNonGarter · 18/02/2021 23:17

@ListeningQuietly

The UK ALWAYS gold plated EU laws. Things like the RPA were infinitely more complicated in the EU than in other countries. Only the UK brought in extra red tape that forced small abattoirs to close - it was not an EU rule. The UK were always the kings of the red tape and now have been set free from the shackles of EU rules to add MORE RED TAPE
Are you Ok? You really sound deeply invested in Brexit going badly. That must be stressful.

I have told you that I see/am working with tangible business benefits to Brexit. Specifically, in my case, to being outside State Aid rules. Your response was a ramble about the 1980s freeports. It’s bizarre.

You cannot shout down the upsides. Even if you believe that Brexit wasn’t worth those upsides. There are positives and die-hard Remainers will need to at least acknowledge some positives if they want to stay credible.

anappleadaykeeps · 18/02/2021 23:41

Couldn't get the birthday present I wanted to buy for my sister or dad (both Feb birthdays). One had ridiculous delivery dates now (from Germany) and would have been 1 month late arriving. The other wouldn't even accept an order to the UK.

notimagain · 19/02/2021 00:23

Specifically, in my case, to being outside State Aid rules.

You keep mentioning this ..

Are you able to clarify if "being outside State Aid rules" is actually of benefit to your clients and the UK economy in general or actually it isn't of any benefit to them, but is something they now need to take your advice on because of the consequences Brexit?