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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask what impacts of brexit you have seen in your day to day life?

422 replies

Bregxit · 16/02/2021 11:48

Any whether good or bad
Yabu-yes I have
Yanbu-no I haven’t

OP posts:
PersonaNonGarter · 16/02/2021 22:48

wondering how on earth Britain - a country that used to be the envy of the rest of Europe having managed to negotiate itself an opt out of the Euro, Schengen and anything else it didn’t want to be involved in - has got itself into such a mess.

This surely depends on perspective tho? ‘Such a mess’ is not how it feels to a lot of people. Lots of opportunity (and vaccines) is how it feels to plenty of people.

HarrietPierce · 16/02/2021 23:02

"No way could I bear to see deaths piling up and the destruction of our economy just so the EU commission could prove their point."

Other European countries with similar population to UK have had fewer than 118,000 deaths. France : 82,800 Germany(which has a larger population than Uk : 66,500.

LyndzB · 16/02/2021 23:09

Sent products in December and January to European countries, many have not arrived yet.

My nan got her vaccine. My dad is due one very soon.

Wanderlust20 · 16/02/2021 23:11

I work with companies and it's destroyed a lot of them...

grapewine · 16/02/2021 23:12

@LillianGish

I feel very sorry for normal Europeans that have been basically told their life is secondary to that of the EU Commission What are you talking about? Where I’m sitting - in a country that has kept its schools open, most of its shops and where we’ll be going away on holiday next week - people are looking across the channel and wondering how on earth Britain - a country that used to be the envy of the rest of Europe having managed to negotiate itself an opt out of the Euro, Schengen and anything else it didn’t want to be involved in - has got itself into such a mess. The idea that the EU would have in some way dictated its vaccination programme is laughable. Johnson is no doubt hoping you’ll be persuaded to believe this in the same way he persuaded the fishing industry to believe it would be better off out of the EU. COVID is a convenient smokescreen for the destruction he and his cronies have wrought with Brexit .
We're in lockdown where I am, but I agree with this.

"Normal Europeans" Hmm

Splann · 16/02/2021 23:17

@PersonaNonGarter what are the actual, tangible opportunities? I’m on my arse due to Brexit (SME dealing in b2b imports from EU and exports to EU customers for the last 17 years) and I don’t understand where you are seeing these opportunities? Please point me in the right direction as the only solution I’ve been given to keeping my business from going under is to move it to mainland Europe. You are obviously seeing something I’m missing.

jenniferjamesandbarryboo · 16/02/2021 23:24

@PersonaNonGarter

wondering how on earth Britain - a country that used to be the envy of the rest of Europe having managed to negotiate itself an opt out of the Euro, Schengen and anything else it didn’t want to be involved in - has got itself into such a mess.

This surely depends on perspective tho? ‘Such a mess’ is not how it feels to a lot of people. Lots of opportunity (and vaccines) is how it feels to plenty of people.

What are these opportunities you're talking about? My DH would like to know as he's now unemployed thanks to Brexit.
Lockdownlumpy · 16/02/2021 23:31

Most of mine have already been mentioned. One that maybe hasn't...
When we do the long journey to see family in EU our picnic for the journey will not be able to contain sandwiches with any cheese or meat, pork pies, scotch eggs, sausage rolls, yoghurt. Looks like it will be jam sandwiches, hummus and carrot sticks.
We will also not be able to take a coolbox full of British cheeses for EU family as we did previously.
We won't be able to bring a carload of French wine home either.

PersonaNonGarter · 16/02/2021 23:40

Thank God, we’re actually out.

There are so many people who would love to re-run the Brexit arguments - and I understand why - but it is like people arguing for re-opening the coal mines now. Just ain’t going to happen, although that doesn’t mean the transition won’t bring pain. I have sympathy for those who are feeling that pain.

Cocomarine · 16/02/2021 23:43

Just one example of many...
Work for a huge global household name company.
Have contract for haulage with a huge global household name company.
Great relationship with them.
Willing to pay through the nose.
Said haulage firm simply refused to take my business from one particular UK location into 3 EU countries this week, because they can’t keep having their drivers stuck for days, and our product sent back for paperwork “mistakes” that are perfect according to DEFRA, and have been accepted some days at some ports, and not at others, or on other days at the same port. Seriously - we’ve had stuff stopped for ticking Box A, and the same stuff on the same day at the same port stopped for NOT ticking Box A. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m personally working a LOT of hours.

Dg390 · 16/02/2021 23:44

PersonaNonGarter
So you have sympathy but no actual opportunities to offer? And presumably you would be equally fine with brexit if you had lost your job or business was falling apart because of brexit. Please do reassure me that you would be ok with the same level of pain for yourself

Dg390 · 16/02/2021 23:46

And please don’t use the vaccines as a brexit benefit. The scientific community is so massively anti brexit you can name most of the pro brexit scientists by name there are so few of them...

Dg390 · 16/02/2021 23:53

Ps the transition is actually 10 years of pain (and more likely 20...) Smile. So this debate really isn’t going to go away. And as you can see from the comments on NI even less so.

PersonaNonGarter · 16/02/2021 23:54

@Dg390 I appreciate that you are personally impacted negatively.

I have clients who expect to be positively impacted and have various red tape cut for their businesses as part of not being beholden to EU State Aid rules. That means there are opportunities to work with government-owned entities with more ease and opportunity.

Please understand that I feel genuine sympathy for anyone in a difficult situation. I am pleased for people in a good situation. But that doesn’t change my view that overall Brexit was a good thing. I can see why you don’t think so, of course.

Dg390 · 16/02/2021 23:57

All change has some winners and losers - the interesting thing is the balance. I would say massively losers for the UK (as the fishermen are finding out). Interested in how you would describe the overall benefit of Brexit to someone living in Ni as it begins already and sadly to fracture a fragile peace but one which has held for 25 Years.
I guess What is happening in Ni is just minor collateral damage for brexit... (or are you hoping it will all get better in Ni)

Dg390 · 17/02/2021 00:04

Sorry to sound so angry. I know a few honest brexiteers who accept that the economic impact is going to be horrible for a decade at least but say it is worth it for sovereignty (which is a respectable argument though most of them are pretty protected from the reality). When I ask if they think they would have won the vote if they had said it would mean a decade of austerity and no £350 million for the NHS they go strangely silent ...

Dg390 · 17/02/2021 00:06

Anyway time for bed. We are 6 weeks into brexit so reality has hardly hit... and who knows - maybe miracles will happen - and I couldn’t be happier if the promises of the boris and gove and Cummings of unicorns and wonder and no pain turn out to be true !

OakSnows · 17/02/2021 00:11

Food fresh veg choices more limited. Several companies I order from in the EU just say on their website in a big banner now “not currently delivering to the U.K.”

PersonaNonGarter · 17/02/2021 00:16

I know a few honest brexiteers who accept that the economic impact is going to be horrible for a decade at least

Sorry, I don’t think it will be ‘horrible’. I think it will be better, if bumpy, much sooner than that. The re-join campaign may prove me wrong, but there seems to be very little momentum for that.

Lorw · 17/02/2021 00:20

The company I work for distributes, the manufacturers of the products we supply all make their items in European factories, pretty much everything is out of stock across all manufacturers as struggling to get anything into UK, we have had a 9% increase in all our prices across all manufacturers, which means a 9% increase in our end user pricing, it’s harder to get stuff even when it doesn’t come from EU. Not to mention the amount of hard work that goes into just getting one damn parcel shipped to the likes of Ireland. Ireland was a big part of the companies business which has been destroyed overnight because the end user doesn’t want to pay the import fees.

Mara2021 · 17/02/2021 00:24

Increased racist remarks towards partner about other nationalities (partner is from a Commonwealth country and has an educated accent so they're an "acceptable Colonial" apparently - they're a healthcare professional) and (for the time being) low level racism towards partner, things people wouldn't have said out loud a couple of years ago that they now think are perfectly acceptable to voice

Nursing staffing levels much lower, especially in care homes, so many healthcare assistants and the like are from Europe

Increased taxes and duty on some items for work/hobbies and some items for the home

A course I was thinking of doing at an EU university would have been funded completely if we were still part of the bloc; now it would cost me many, many thousands of euros (it isn't just this course, it's all the courses I could have taken)

Now really having to think seriously about which countries we could move to longer term

And it might not be obvious yet but food is starting to get much, much more expensive (I've kept diaries since I was 13 and many of them include details of food costs or old receipts)

RilkeanHeart · 17/02/2021 00:26

The people saying ‘oh but we’ve got the vaccine’ as if that makes Brexit a good thing. Just the kind of I’m all right Jack attitude that sums up the whole Brexit shitshow. Our NHS has pulled out the stops to deliver, unlike the rest of the handling of the pandemic by our incompetent, crony outsourcing government. Just watch the NHS get sold off as this country turns into a low regulation, low tax state which can’t afford decent public services.
More jobs will go, travel will be more difficult, our kids’ opportunities will be massively curtailed. All for some ridiculous notion of sovereignty. I’d love to leave. But those of us not lucky enough to have the option of an EU passport are stuck here in little England.
So yes, it has made a difference. And it will make even more of a difference in the next few years.

sandandseashores · 17/02/2021 00:26

Really positive so far.

DoubleDessertPlease · 17/02/2021 00:27

@ChazP

For those citing covid vaccinations as an advantage to Brexit, our procurement of vaccines has NOTHING to do with Brexit. If we had remained in the EU we would still have been able to procure our own supply of vaccines.

Now try and come up with a GENUINE advantage to Brexit. We’ve been waiting 5 years for anyone to come up with anything. I’m sure someone somewhere has something by now...

1000% This.
AgentOhDoSodOff · 17/02/2021 00:46
  • DH unable to take up job in EU country as my professional qualifications no longer recognised so I’d be unemployed (loss of my career)
  • DC no longer able to do Erasmus or use Freedom of Movement to just pop over to EU for some international work experience (as I did)
  • best friend’s family business going bankrupt due to difficulty getting EU made supplies in time and losing EU customers due to hold ups and items being turned back at border
  • I’ve gradually noticed supermarket shelves getting emptier but tonight was ridiculous. Have McVities shut down or something?

But then the real issues won’t start until 1st July from when all imports have to be checked too. Wonder if No 10’s champagne order will be held up?