Senate clears Trump of inciting insurrection

[Iamnotminterested]

Well there we go 😔

Sadly, the result is not surprising. The GOP have given up on being a party with a moral conscience a long time ago. I do wonder what implications this will have for both them and the Democrats in the long-term.

Based on the evidence, and even on McConnell's speech, I don't comprehend how Trump could be acquitted of incitement as it was an open and shut case. Trump had used inflammatory language for months, if not years, building up the anger of his supporters. On 6 January, a mob of Trump supporters, waving Trump flags, screaming that they were doing this for Trump, invaded the Capitol.

@PlanDeRaccordement imagine though if the Dems has said, oh never mind a few people died on Jan 6, we’ll just carry on with our little inauguration and put this as teething problems, let’s not annoy the trumpers. That would have been inexcusable.

What we all understand is not so much who they tragically killed ie not their intended targets but law enforcement as collateral damage.

The plain and transparent facts are - Trump commander in chief of his mob (complete with flags and red hats etc) commanded his army of loyal follower fans to invade together with him. He himself eventually did not have the courage to lead the attack in person but instead used his usual media channels to command operations from a distance. This is intentional domestic terrorism and possibly would have ultimately lead to the beginnings of a civil war. The Orange ape is the only one to start wars and divisions domestically while most interfered with military aggression and warfare globally. This is the man half the current Divided States of American thinks as an absolute hero. This is plain wrong since historic slavery and legalised discrimination was amended some time ago. He should not be trying his utmost to seek out a new following to start a new political campaign from fellow damaged goods Americans including many with unpalatable historical divisional views going forward. He may yet lose any of his forthcoming legal battles. His funding may no longer be on tap from Russia and China etc now that he is out on his own with his band of 70+m supporters. Unfortunately or fortunately for the outside sane world - he has the wrong type of political supporters from the wrong economically weak demographics. Likely game over Orange!

It isn’t over for Trump. He’s being investigated over his attempts to manipulate the election result in Georgia, following that recorded call with Raffensperger. So he could end up being criminally liable, especially following McConnell’s withering condemnation (despite him voting to acquit). The families of the victims on January 6th will probably sue him now.

He’s also still under investigation over his tax affairs in New York.

So I don’t think Trump can genuinely claim to have been exonerated over January 6th, though no doubt that’s what he and his apologists in the Republican Party will say.

PlanDeRaccordement

You state Pelosi started second impeachment inquiry in September,

Have you got a link for that?

And if anybody is interested in what the US Congress does, here are some websites

www.congress.gov/
www.govtrack.us/

@DuncinToffee

PlanDeRaccordement

You state Pelosi started second impeachment inquiry in September,

Have you got a link for that?

Yes posted it up thread. Here it is again.

www.cnbc.com/2020/09/20/pelosi-on-possible-second-trump-impeachment-we-have-our-options.html

She’s been building her case since September. Monumental waste of time and tax payer money just to grind her axe. If only she’d put the same effort into leading the charge to overhaul the US immigration system and stop the detention centre abuses.

That article says it's an option, not that she started an expensive enquiry.

Any links to back up that she has been building her case instead of focussing on congress bills and legislation?

@BritWifeinUSA

And rightly so.

Bollocks

I suspect Plans shift has ended with a view of St Basils
as she does not seen to understand that the Senate exists

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@PlanDeRaccordement

Why are you blaming Nancy Pelosi for the child separation policies. What about the president and his cabinet who implemented them ?[/quote]
Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House and therefore responsible for drafting and putting new laws on the floor to be passed by Congress. She is #3 behind President and Vice President in charge of the USA. The Senate doesn’t draft and introduce laws as the upper house, it just debates and votes on the laws the House submits to it. That is why I hold her responsible. It is literally HER JOB to be the legislative check and balance for the other two branches, executive and judicial.

Child separation policies were done by EO

Nowt to do with Pelosi

Why are you blaming Nancy Pelosi for the child separation policies. What about the president and his cabinet who implemented them ?

To expand on this. Yes Trump had the family separation implemented, but he could not have done it if they had been no law already passed by Congress specifically allowing it. The executive branches job is to execute or implement the laws that Congress writes.

The family separation was a side effect of Trump implementing Congress’ law requiring that the US prosecute illegal immigrants for illegal border crossings and by law when you arrest parents, you cannot arrest their children too. Therefore the families are separated and the children put into the US foster care system.

These are all laws written and passed by Congress. Nancy Pelosi is the one person in charge of changing US laws. And what does she do? Not a damn thing. She even voted against emergency funding to better house the refugees at the US Mexico border.

@ListeningQuietly

Child separation policies were done by EO

Nowt to do with Pelosi

Not the case. The executive branch has zero authority to write laws under which people can be prosecuted for crimes. Only Congress can do that. The separations occurred because of Congress law making border crossing by illegal immigrants a criminal offence to be prosecuted in federal court.

@ListeningQuietly

what Congress should have been doing since Election Day. Writing and getting laws and aid ready for January for Biden to sign

You seem to forget this little thing called the Senate.

Go and do more real research and less conspiracy hunches

At least I know that the Senate is part of Congress...which apparently you do not know. Perhaps you should research a bit how the US system works?

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@PlanDeRaccordement

How can you provide that article as proof that Nancy has been planning an impeachment for months? It’s nothing of the sort
Did you read it before posting ?[/quote]
It’s one of many articles. Plus you can go look at the various motions she put to the House floor such as the “No President above the Law” motion, and the “Prevention of Misuse of Presidential Pardon” motion.

[quote LadyWithLapdog]@PlanDeRaccordement imagine though if the Dems has said, oh never mind a few people died on Jan 6, we’ll just carry on with our little inauguration and put this as teething problems, let’s not annoy the trumpers. That would have been inexcusable.[/quote]
In 2020 alone 27 have been killed at BLM protests and what? Crickets.

But a 4 white nationalist protestors get killed plus one police officer and the whole US is in an uproar and first reaction is to do ultimate grand gesture of revenge by impeaching/sacking a President who will already gone out of the job before they can even start. It was stupid. It strengthened him and it’s an insult to all people who died protesting for a good cause and had zero recognition, but then pull out all the stops and put on a grand show trial at the highest level of government that then predictably fails for people who had a bad cause but just happened to not be black.

It highlights how little black lives are worth compared to white lives in the US. So yes, it’s infuriating and it played right into Trump and his fans hands.

H.R.2678 - No President is Above the Law Act of 2020

Introduced in House (05/10/2019)
Reported to House (12/31/2020)

www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2678

H.R.1627 - Abuse of the Pardon Prevention Act

03/07/2019 Introduced in House

www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1627

How do they proof that Pelosi has been conducting an expensive enquiry into impeachment since September?

@PlanDeRaccordement two wrongs don’t make a right. Every death should be investigated and those responsible held to account. The police officer Sicknick who died was a trump supporter. A couple of the police officers who killed themselves a few days after also trumpers. Their deaths are also senseless. Something went very wrong in America and there must be some light on this.

and first reaction is to do ultimate grand gesture of revenge by impeaching/sacking a President who will already gone out of the job before they can even start.

It was Mitch McConnell, who refused to reconvene the Senate before January 19 to allow Trump's impeachment trial to start while he was still in office.

The Senate doesn’t draft and introduce laws as the upper house, it just debates and votes on the laws the House submits to it.

This is wrong. Legislation can originate in either of the two houses of Congress.

Nancy Pelosi is the one person in charge of changing US laws. And what does she do?

This is incorrect. Any member of either house can introduce legislation, and depending on the party make-up of each house, and even the personalities of the leadership, often the Majority Leader of the Senate has as much (or more) actual power to influence the progress of legislation.

Traditionally, the Senate is considered the more prestigious of the two branches, and certainly has powers that the House does not, such as confirming appointments of cabinet members and judges.