Senate clears Trump of inciting insurrection

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Well there we go 😔

And about the cost

finance.yahoo.com/news/much-impeachment-trial-cost-taxpayers-195000282.html

How much will this cost the American taxpayer?

It turns out that although impeachment is a lot of work, it isn’t expensive

Roll Call, a news service that specializes in covering Congress, reports that the January 2020 impeachment cost approximately $1.83 million, and most of that money was already budgeted in Congressional operations. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s salary and expenses were also part of regular expenditures.

Shame he got aquited

if the President is found to be guilty, taxpayers will gain back more money than the cost of the trial

@DuncinToffee thanks for digging that out and quashing trump apologists arguments.

Disagree. You don’t come up with the masses of evidence they had in two short weeks.
But as January 6th was only a few weeks ago
and it was all on live, international, TV
collating evidence is not tricky

[quote LadyWithLapdog]@DuncinToffee thanks for digging that out and quashing trump apologists arguments.[/quote]
You are welcome

If you are interested in more information, join us on the Biden, ex Trump threads
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4162151-Whilst-Biden-and-Harris-are-busy-doing-their-jobs-theres-an-Impeachment-Hearing-going-on

@LadyWithLapdog

So what happens now about the deaths on 6 January? All forgotten, nothing to see, move along now?

No. The FBI are on a roll. Folks are in custody up and down the land. Federal, State and civil charges are starting to work through

but with impeachment out of the way, will not affect Biden

@DuncinToffee looks like it’s unreachable but I’ll find it.

Great links Duncin

I like...
'Calling an Election unfair does not make it so'
That was one ruling

And let's look at Sidney Powell, another of Trump's lawyers. $1.3 billion. That’s how much Dominion is asking for in damages against Powell. The lawsuit is asking for $2.7 billion in damages in total, though that lawsuit also targets Rudy Giuliani, Fox News and several of the network’s leading anchors in addition to Powell.
Dominion are the voting machines which Sidney Powell repeatedly accused of fixing the election, that their machines were used to fraudently flip votes.
All lies of course.
Don't blame them. This is a 20 year old company, members of staff received very credible death threats and the Company name was linked with fraud, Antifa and Venezuela.

Sorry LadyWithLapdog, the link cut off a bit at the end

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4162151-Whilst-Biden-and-Harris-are-busy-doing-their-jobs-theres-an-Impeachment-Hearing-going-on-125

www.foxbusiness.com/politics/how-much-will-trump-impeachment-trial-cost Here’s a link from pro-trump Fox News about the cost of this trial: $3 million vs $1.83 for the first impeachment. Compare to $80 million for Clinton’s impeachment and $519 million for added security around the White House since January 6th (and we know whose fault that is, right?). So let’s not hear about the cost as an apology for trump anymore.

The republicans are just spineless and lacking any moral compass

There was plenty of evidence and even the republicans admitted that. He got off on a technicality because he was no longer president

@LadyWithLapdog

www.foxbusiness.com/politics/how-much-will-trump-impeachment-trial-cost Here’s a link from pro-trump Fox News about the cost of this trial: $3 million vs $1.83 for the first impeachment. Compare to $80 million for Clinton’s impeachment and $519 million for added security around the White House since January 6th (and we know whose fault that is, right?). So let’s not hear about the cost as an apology for trump anymore.

It’s not meant as a fucking apology. I’m against Trump as much as anyone. I just think to attempt and fail at impeachment twice was a monumental waste of time and money. In addition the calculation you are reporting exclude the salaries of the Congresswomen and men who spent all that time reading the evidence and sitting through the hearings. We pay them their salary no matter what they work on. I just think it might have been time and money better spent fixing the mess Trump left behind instead of a pointless falling on swords.

@morninglive

There was plenty of evidence and even the republicans admitted that. He got off on a technicality because he was no longer president

Not true. He got off because the Senate voted to not impeach him. You can impeach someone already out of office because impeachment isn’t just removal, it’s also a lifetime ban. If they had succeeded in impeaching him, it would have included banning him from holding public office ever again. But since they predictably failed miserably, he can hold any public office he wants to again. He can run for President in 2024 if he wants to.

It’s like an arsonist has set fire to a building full of children. Do you try and save the children and put the fire out, or chase the arsonist? This is what the Democrats have done...run after and failed to catch the arsonist. Leaving the children to burn to death.

Children are dying every day in those border detention centres or at home because their parents can’t afford insulin because US healthcare is so fucked up. But everyone in Congress thought their time was better spent trying and failing to impeach Trump instead of saving real lives that are lost ever day because of the damage Trump did.

That’s my point. And to be called a Trump apologist because I care more about saving the lives he has endangered instead of going after him when we know for a fact he will get off Scot Free is fucking low.

Plan
If you think that trying to uphold the Constitution is a waste of money you are clearly reading some strange "news" sources

This show impeachment is more political theatre than substantive law. There was a majority who found he was duly directly responsible for the charge against him but not enough from his (former?) party to make the call despite having their lives at risk at the time. He will now face other legal proceedings for obvious reasons. Of course we all know what happened and why. But according to their USA system he was not quite guilty enough for the required legal threshold but was the majority found him liable as only a minority did not. This apparently includes at least one who believe this impeachment is not relevant post being out of office but would have supposedly otherwise found him liable. The whole thing and the fact that you have such a fake character as the leader for so many years causing hate and divisions with his family mob cronies on board made America fake (news) again. Luckily his fake election cheating did not work this time. No more fake President and not one that is a puppet of finance be it Russian or Chinese money etc. He was never a real president just a comedy act off fake staged reality TV. It is a shame that possibly half the nation is either like him or not educated enough to know any better. Today's America is one pandemic and economic mess.

@PlanDeRaccordement sorry to call yoga trump apologist but you very much sounded like one. You were the one who brought the cost of the trial as an argument why it shouldn’t have happened. You are very down on how much or little the democrats have done in a few weeks. Let’s hope you’ll feel relieved now this ape & his show are out of the way.

They were out to get Trump from day one. And everyone's forgotten about all the protests and marches whdn he was elected. Short memories.

Well I don't think the 'ape and his show' are out of the way actually. The ape has been buoyed up by the acquittal and now, more than ever, believes in the fantasy of his 'stolen win'.

Expect the ape to start up his new 'Patriots Party' or whatever his new white supremacist/Proud Boy/NRA funded initiative is.

I feel sorry for the American citizens who are actually believers in democracy and freedom of expression /movement, or racial/gender equality. Because IMO the US is headed towards civil war or at the very least secession. You will see the old Slave States fighting to secede and all manner of bloodshed. 360 million guns and counting.

If something good comes out of this is it might be that US lawmakers will be more cautious when there is violence on the streets not to say or do anything that could be seen to encourage or validate it. Perhaps more reason, due process and less emotion will lead to more peace, u it’s and improved governance of what really matters, jobs, health etc

Unity not u it’s!

@ListeningQuietly

Plan If you think that trying to uphold the Constitution is a waste of money you are clearly reading some strange "news" sources

I don’t think upholding the Constitution is a waste of money.

After all the very first thing the US constitution states is
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In my mind fixing the mess Trump left of a divided nation with civil unrest, police brutality shooting minorities down in the street, abhorrent immigration detention centres, and children dying due to lack of healthcare is upholding the Constitution too as it is the #1 first thing required in the Constitution and what Congress should have been doing since Election Day. Writing and getting laws and aid ready for January for Biden to sign. Think how much they could have accomplished the past three months if they had not been spending their time and tax paid salaries pushing for another impeachment that was certain to fail again. (Pelosi started second impeachment inquiry in September, she thought the 6 Jan riot would be a smoking gun. They didn’t start impeachment #2 after 6 Jan)

All they did (and I’m blaming all Congress here) is strengthen him.

[quote LadyWithLapdog]@PlanDeRaccordement sorry to call yoga trump apologist but you very much sounded like one. You were the one who brought the cost of the trial as an argument why it shouldn’t have happened. You are very down on how much or little the democrats have done in a few weeks. Let’s hope you’ll feel relieved now this ape & his show are out of the way.[/quote]
I am relieved Trump is out of office, I am just angry for everyday Americans that have been largely ignored by Congress because Washington DC is a bubble and they obviously have prioritised trying to get at Trump even though all the experts told them they would fail and only strengthen Trump. They still chanced it as a priority over helping their fellow Americans who voted for change. For justice. For a better president. Congress had better work harder now.

what Congress should have been doing since Election Day. Writing and getting laws and aid ready for January for Biden to sign

You seem to forget this little thing called the Senate.

Go and do more real research and less conspiracy hunches