Soft porn included in "recommended resources" for secondary school kids in Wales

[2fallsagain]

I have seen it all. The Women's Equality Network in Wales and produced a "toolkit" to celebrate international women's day which links to resources from Gal Dem which includes a soft porn video where the actress says "how do you want to f**k tonight Daddy". Also on the site are tips for "kinky zoom orgies"

Have they actually lost their minds? More information here:

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1360320342141653006?s=20

AIBU to think this is just out and out grooming?

Have attached a screenshot for those who don't like to click on links

@Dinocan the whole pack is a safeguarding shit show. Linking to that site which has some very adult content on it would not have happened if anyone with an ounce of understanding about safeguarding had anything to do with it.

This is produced by the women's equality network but doesn't centre women and girls. I appreciate that a wider point than my OP but the whole thing is a safeguarding car crash.

Schools packs should not link to adult sites with sexual content on them.

@2fallsagain

You are defending the inclusion of the website in a pack that is designed for 11 year olds.

No, it's designed for all ages in schools.

It will therefore include age-appropriate material at a range of levels from age 6 to age 18. Some of it will be inappropriate for the other year groups.

But I would like to think teachers would vet this stuff before recommending it to their students

It would seek these days that alot is outsourced. Especially when it comes to inclusion. Previously trusted organisations appear to have slipped In questionable things , into learning packs . Asda had the same problem. There have been links to books deemed unsuitable , one aimed at primary school children contained someone that would have lead to difficult questions, had the kids googled them.

I think also teachers are worried about accusations for questioning some of the resources too. The nspcc for example have still not apologised for their accusations of homophobia aimed at anyone who didn't feel that filming yourself in the toilets at work was inappropriate amd would have been so regardless of the sexuality of the staff member.

[quote TVDFan]@Lockheart

Also it is available to pupils.[/quote]
This post demonstrates that this is specifically targeted at "pupils".
This is par for the course with too many organisations like this. Age appropriate is essential for safeguarding. Just because schools contain 18 year olds does not mean that materials appropriate for them should be targeted at younger age groups. Most adults working in schools understand that via their safeguarding training .
That's why it's so disastrous when enthusiastic adults (or sinister predators) decide that porn related materials are suitable for children in schools. This was specifically targeted at pupils with no warnings about inappropriate content. It's a breach of safeguarding.

Would I be happy with my 11 year old having free reign of that website? Absolutely not. Yes I see that directing 11 year olds to it would be a safeguarding issue. Would I be happy for a teacher to use it a resource to lead a guided discussion about some topics where it might offer a different perspective? Yes I would.

Sorry - the link doesn't show up in the quoted post but it's upthread.

flobberdobberrr the video is easily accessible, via a link to a website that features it prominently, in a list of reading recommendations for secondary school children. This is a video that children from age 11 could be watching at home on their own, having been recommended the site by their school. There will therefore be no teacher-led discussion around for example, the ‘client’ who says that he wants to carry out a sexually violent act on Tilda Swinton “Like I’ll beat the breaks off of her ass”. There will also be no class discussion about why the women is calling the client ‘daddy’ or why the client calls her ‘a little nasty bitch’. There will be no awareness by a teacher of any pupil who may be reacting in a particularly distressed way to it because of their own horrific experiences. Instead a teacher/school will link to the recommended resources because they appear within a toolkit recommended to schools and children will then access one of the few easily viewable resources on the list. Some children will feel unable to discuss with their parents or carers and be potentially left to deal with the confusion and upset by themselves. Parents during lockdown are having to trust what the schools are inviting secondary age children to access, as they juggle working from home and/or concentrating on younger children. This is a big safeguarding failure and that is why it should be withdrawn asap.

Gal-dem is a brilliant site and only a very small part of its content is about sex, let alone kink. More people should be aware of it, including beyond the BAME community

If you have to cap all secondary school content at 11 year olds (the very youngest age group) then that is doing older teenagers a massive disservice.

I do not assume that teachers, as several here appear to have done, do not review material before use.

If it was added in error, WEN needs to do a bit of damage limitation and explain this and also contact everyone who has downloaded it to point out the questionable content just in case any teachers who are pushed for time and trust that WEN should be familiar with safeguarding policies don't completely vet it.

I feel so upset for adolescent and teenage girls right now. They are inundated with porny depictions of sex from the internet, or if they’re not some of the boys they meet will be. Now they have to get exposed to this shit from a “learning pack” from school.

Teenage girls don’t need more exposure to “fuck me daddy” type content, or kink. This isn’t teaching them about mutual sexual pleasure, it’s teaching them a version of male sexual pleasure. They need a toolkit to encourage them to work out their boundaries and take things at their own pace.

YANBU.

We need to be asking serious probing questions about who is promoting the agenda of grooming our kids to have their sexuality owned by misogynist pornographers and why.

@VikingVolva please read chicken's very thorough explanation of why this is so wrong.

Fucks sake if even if the adults on a parenting website cannot see this for what it is (ie grooming) our young women have no hope.

@nolongersurprised

I feel so upset for adolescent and teenage girls right now. They are inundated with porny depictions of sex from the internet, or if they’re not some of the boys they meet will be. Now they have to get exposed to this shit from a “learning pack” from school.

Teenage girls don’t need more exposure to “fuck me daddy” type content, or kink. This isn’t teaching them about mutual sexual pleasure, it’s teaching them a version of male sexual pleasure. They need a toolkit to encourage them to work out their boundaries and take things at their own pace.

Exactly- I can’t believe people are condoning children (pupils at school are children) bring shown this sort if things and giving the prominence of WAP as a example to justify it.

Who benefits from this sort of thing? When Teen Vogue promotes snap sex ‘for non-prostate havers’ or ‘ethical rape porn’ (or whatever it was) to young girls - who benefits?

Answer: not the girls. There is zero benefit to girls in breaking down boundaries for consent and essentially trying to normalise adult sexual behaviour. There is benefit to girls in having these concepts introduced to them. If, when they are adults they want to explore sexually then they can but trying to convince impressionable young people that girls should be up for this and boys are entitled to expect us wrong and I sincere hope that anyone on here that approved if this direction society is taking doesn’t work with children (or if they do, keep their thought to themselves).

After the Rotherham and Oxford, Saville scandals have we learnt nothing about protecting our girls??

I’ve just watched that video , how is that educational or suitable for children?? There’s sexual gasping at the start, the woman is a cam girl gyrating her bum at the camera , the language is gross. Those who think it’s art - wow what a country of moral decay we live in!

OMG, there are some people on this thread defending this shit, who I 100% hope do not have the slightest thing to do with children. If you cannot see a problem with a supposed "women's equality" network advertising this group to teachers and children then you are a massive safeguarding risk, and have your moral compass absolutely broken. Gal-dem have been dodgy af for a long, long time. There are a number of these extremely dodgy groups who pretend to be about "empowerment" or sex ed, sometimes using BAME people as a cover, but are actually set up explicitely to break down the boundaries of children, especially girls. That is why they are promoting "sex work" (aka servicing men sexually, whether on camera or in prostitution), pornography (as "empowering"), and trans ideology (where girls are not allowed their own spaces away from men and boys). They are seriously dodgy, and operating in plain site and are a MASSIVE SAFEGUARDING RISK. Schools should run a million miles away from these dodgy groups, and thank parents for alerting them.

Whether the video is porn or is simply explicit is a red herring - I would argue that it is still not appropriate for all 15 yr olds (let alone 11-15 yr olds).

It's interesting that a Friends DVD (eg series 4) has certificate 15 because it 'contains moderate sex references'. I know that the certification doesn't apply in this case and I know that 'times have changed' but we should not assume that all 15 year olds want or need to see films with potentially explicit content - some 15 yrs will certainly be negatively affected by it by not being ready to view it.

Information and empowerment is one thing but negatively pushing adult themes - especially in video format - is another. (Also, what is wrong with an empowering book or talk, why does everything have to have a video or picture?) I'm thinking out loud, but perhaps it is the video aspect that makes it less appropriate for children. Children might be curious (some more than others) and some will be experienced (some more than others) but I don't think children need to see videos with explicit content before they are ready. In fact I think I feel strongly that they have the right not to see content with explicit images before they are ready. (This isn't the same thing as having no knowledge of a subject.)

Yeah this is one of the reasons I home educate.

You mention in your opening post women's network producing something for women's day. Where do schools come into this?

It's a toolkit to help schools celebrate women's day. Problem is there is nothing wornen/girl centric or celebratory about it. It's full of groomy, gaslighting, sexist and scientifically unsound content.

@Abitofalark

They are providing it for teachers and pupils.

Thanks for that. I've no idea how things are done in Wales and wondering if it's devolved and whether schools are within the control of the local authorities or some other Welsh body. If under DfE it's centralised and a bit more straightforward to put in a complaint or get leverage from a campaign on issues like this, especially as there has been a change in that department recently.

Depressingly Abitofalark, it's become apparent that national and local government have been very successfully targeted by by porn advocates and those seeking to undermine the safeguarding of children.
Until parents and other responsible adults make a fuss about this, it will continue - as demonstrated in this thread.

NCd for this as outing but I'm an erotica author who writes BDSM erotica for women and makes a damn good living out of it. I am not negative about sex at all and I also write explicit romance for lesbians. I would be absolutely appalled and horrified if anything I've written was given out in schools and I would also be quite angry that my content was being used that way. I would be so upset, I'd look at legal means to get them to not share my content.
I take great pains to keep my work very separate from my kids (I work in a locked room they have no access to and don't keep any notes where they could find them, I don't let them use my work laptop or have the password for it).
Children should be children. Even in upper sixth. They should be safeguarded from all this. Where is the safeguarding?

A resource recommended by schools for children which contains a video with the words "how do you wanna fuck daddy" sounds like it contradicts the statutory guidance, which says:

"Involves forcing or enticing a child or young person to take part in sexual activities, not necessarily involving a high level of violence, whether or not the child is aware of what is happening. The activities may...also include non-contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or in the production of, sexual images”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/942454/Workinggtogethertoosafeguardchildrenninteragencyyguidance.pdf
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Good point beargrass. It's also worth pointing out that behaving like that with a child is a criminal offence under the Sexual Offences Act. Engaging / persuading children to participate in discuss / view sexual acts etc. There's a range of possible offences. It's long overdue that some of these adults directing children to sexual behaviours were faced with the criminal consequences of their behaviour.