Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)

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On Fox as the impeachment managers are on the Senate floor, Trump attorney David Schoen calls their argument "offensive." He says Trump doesn't want to be associated with what happened 1/6 and senators will get "a much better picture of what's going on here" when they present.

The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of the constitution - it's in the constitution. Not congress. Not the senate. And specifically not Ted fucking Cruz.

@FridayNightAtTheBronze

Both sides are in disagreement over whether the impeachment is constitutional or not. However, they can't both be right, so surely the constitution can't be black and white, and there is room for interpretation? Which sort of defeats the point of even having a constitution, if both sides can find evidence within it to support their case.

This might be a completely inane comment, and I'm really just thinking out loud, but I'm wondering why there's even a question of this. Either the impeachment is constitutional or it isn't, there shouldn't be room to argue about it.

All sacred texts get interpreted as the years pass. Otherwise, there would be no rift between Roman Catholic and Protestant churches, or between the Sunni and the Shia. Those sects have their bases in the same texts. And not all Jews interpret the Torah in the same way as all other Jews....

now House Manager @RepCicilline points out the seriousness of Jan 6th: rioters targeted the next 3 in line to the Presidency, then-Vice President Mike Pence, @SpeakerPelosi and then Senate President Pro-Tempore @ChuckGrassley

Thank you for the new thread Roussette.

I watch on C-Span. www.c-span.org/

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna540516

Donald Trump Warns Supporters Could Riot if He Doesn't Get GOP Nomination

Donald Trump warned on Wednesday that his supporters would respond with “riots” if he fails to secure the nomination at July’s convention in Cleveland.

“I think you’d have riots,” Trump told CNN on Wednesday. “I think you’d have riots. I’m representing a tremendous many, many millions of people.

CNN’s @mkraju popped into the chamber and in his time there he saw 15 empty GOP seats as impeachment trial continues.

@mkraju asked Trump's lawyer David Schoen why he left during the impeachment trial to go on Fox News today as the House Managers were making their case

Schoen replied: "It's more of the same thing. They're showing the same repetitive videos, making points that don't exist"

Let's see if Schoen is all mouth.

If he is happy to make those statements to Fox, let's see what he says tomorrow. Should be interesting.

Is he going to just scream and shout, like he did on Tuesday?

They can't bear to listen and look, can they?

Translation of Schoen's words 'we have no defence to this'

Maybe those Republicans should be careful? Isn’t it characteristic of mobs down the ages that they often turn on those they originally supported? Especially if they feel they have been betrayed.

Trump's defence may win the house
but they will not win the country
and in 2022 and 2024
its the country that matters

@ListeningQuietly

Its funny how defenders of the constitution object when it says they are wrong

Yep , apparently the new definition of unconstitutional is "I don't agree with this"

Neguse is addressing the constitutional arguments and hammering home the fact that Trump's defence are ignoring all the facts of the incitement by him

.@RepJoeNeguse: Trump will argue his actions are covered by free-speech protections. He was not "just some guy at a rally" who delivered "controversial remarks." He was POTUS. His side will bring up Democrats' speech. "We trust you to know the difference."
#ImpeachmentTrial

Rep. Raskin: “nobody in America would be protected by the first amendment if they did the things Donald Trump did.”

Raskin quoting Voltaire "Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

As learned MNers have quoted here before

Why the Senate vote must NOT BE ANONYMOUS

In 15 years
when the histories are being written
HOW ELECTED SENATORS VOTED
is part of that
they cannot hide behind the Oh, I was one of the 49 defence

There are enough pieces of the true cross to build Noah's Ark
IYSWIM

Raskin was very powerful, but I did enjoy when he laughed at the notion of Trump's 1st amendment defense.

Meanwhile, back in Jim Jordan's self interested alternative reality, he continues to parrot his usual rubbish on twitter.
twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1359913706449235969

Agree Listening
Live by the sword, die by the sword. They cannot hide behind anonymity

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/dozens-former-republican-officials-talks-form-anti-trump-party

Possible Republican splinter group forming with disillusioned old school Conservative Republicans

As hopeful as I try to be I'm still not counting on a conviction.

But I truly admire the House Managers persisting in presenting their case. It must be so disheartening to believe that (other than getting your message out there) it's most likely in vain.

This is a stain on the GOP that they will never live down. Not. Ever.

This is a stain on the GOP that they will never live down. Not. Ever

Good to hear and quite right.

“If you think this is not impeachable, what is? What would be?” Raskin said. “If you don’t find this a high crime and misdemeanor today, you have set a new, terrible standard for presidential misconduct in the United States of America.”

If I commit a crime and Raskin is the prosecutor, I think I'll cry, pee my pants and just admit guilt.