Midwives told to stop using terms such as 'breastfeeding' and 'breastmilk'

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because it’s not gender inclusive language, I believe with particular reference to the transexual debate.

This is at Brighton and Sussex nhs trust btw, good to know NHS money is being spent wisely btw, poring over the “incorrect” use of language.

The word “mother” apparently should not be used on its own; instead “mother or birthing parent” (um, isn’t that a mother?).

Breast milk and breastfeeding is to be replace by “breast/chest milk” or “milk from the feeding parent”. “Woman” should be replaced with “woman or person”.

Gobsmacked.

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Presumably the trans females who can't cope with the word 'breast' won't be having a vaginal exam at any point of their pregnancy/delivery, or indeed a vaginal delivery at all? I'd love to see some actual figures on the number of pregnant trans females Brighton look after, bet it's a lot lower than the number of pregnant women with visual or hearing impairment, or little/no English language. Calling breastfeeding 'chest' feeding is nonsensical and confusing. Using these nonsense terms excludes women who find them offensive, and women who for whatever reason don't understand what they really mean. This will surely only reduce their local breastfeeding rates!

Trans females? Do you mean trans men?

Calling breastfeeding chestfeeding to trans men is not confusing to them, and the guidelines say to use breastfeeding with non-trans women, so there is no offense.

And, of course, NHS midwives already have guidelines for people with disabilities. This is just whatabouttery.

Calling breastfeeding chestfeeding to trans men is not confusing to them, and the guidelines say to use breastfeeding with non-trans women, so there is no offense.

And again... well, in this context you've got no excuse whatever for repeating 'non-trans women' because transwomen can't breastfeed so there's no ambiguity about just saying 'women', is there?

But language needs to be clear in medicine.

Things can go wrong very quickly in child birth and afterwards. That's why words should retain their meanings so that everyone knows where they are and what's being spoken about.

Cant they give men hormones to chest feed now or something ? Disvlaimer: I'm no expert

@JorisBohnson2

Cant they give men hormones to chest feed now or something ? Disvlaimer: I'm no expert

There have been some experiments...goodness knows if they've been past an ethics committee, as it seemed they were all about the wants of the transwoman and not the nutritional needs of the baby.

You mean like the female who died in a first world hospital $$$$$$ because of the insistence of naming them as male/man/transman?

Was that pregnancy related? Or blood transfer related? Someone remind us all.

By the way. Has anyone heard the radio adverts being put out by our UK government asking for men who have had Covid-19 to donate blood plasma?

My family, colleagues and friend have been asked to donate.

Shall we all put ourselves forward to denote our blood plasma?

*Donate

Seriously switching off auto correct now

JorisBohnson2

Cant they give men hormones to chest feed now or something ? Disvlaimer: I'm no expert

No. Of course not.

I've just read this, and I am no scientist (failed Biology O-level) so what does this mean and is it correct?

On why chromosomes are not a definitive guide to biological sex, written by a biology teacher called Grace Pokela:
"You can be male because you were born female, but you have 5-alphareductase deficiency and so you grew a penis at age 12. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but you are insensitive to androgens, and so you have a female body. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but your Y is missing the SRY gene, and so you have a female body. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but one of your X's HAS an SRY gene, and so you have a male body. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes - but also a Y. You can be female because you have only one X chromosome at all. And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male."

But it is breast milk and breast feeding. That’s the body part the milk comes from regardless of what gender the person doing the feeding identifies as?

I'm.assuming those are all dsds which as we know are usually sex specific anyway. Did it explain why its always the heart and brain that's a different sex to the rest if the body and not a leg or hand? I think I remember reading abkut one case if something extremely rare called chimerism where a woman nearly had her kids taken away despite drs witnessing the birth of one of them due to death tests showing she wasn't the mother.

Death tests?.dna tests

Nanny

this section is a poorly worded paragraph describing people with medical conditions grouped together as differences in sex development.

With modern medicine, doctors can now determine almost every person's sex at birth. It is also important to note, that when that paragraph mentions a 'female/male' body, I do not believe that any person is actually born with both reproductive systems intact, but there will be ambiguity.

Each of those conditions mentioned relates to a specific sex category.

And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male.. And this is incorrect. There are no sexed brains. Brains may react to hormones and other stimuli in similar ways, but they were NOT the brain of the other sex. And a person's heart will be made of cells, just like the brain, that is coded for the sex that person was at time of development as a foetus.

cross posted with Scully.

what

No.

I just can't get my head round being gender dysphoric to the point that you want to become a man, and take on stereotypical physical and social attributes of a man. And then you decide to have a baby, the only thing that females can do that men cannot. I don't get it. What part of being trapped in the wrong body is this? Why am I supposed to feel sorry for your dysphoria and believe your are dysphoric, and therefore respect your pronouns and avoid saying/doing anything that might trigger your dysphoria, if you then decide to carry a child?

Calling breastfeeding chestfeeding to trans men is not confusing to them, and the guidelines say to use breastfeeding with non-trans women, so there is no offense.

That depends. While in a one to one context obviously all patients should receive care appropriate to them, at a policy level 'chest feeding' is offensive because it implies that that there is something offensive about breasts. The terms aren't interchangeable. One is a neutral term which refers to a part of the body possessed by both sexes, the other is a term that should be used for specific patients because of their own discomfort with sex and gender.

In general 'Chestfeeding' is innately offensive because it implies that there is something distasteful about breasts. Post-partum, pretty much all women will struggle with their body, breast feeding, their sense of self, their confidence. It is very, very alienating to suggest that society in general should be cautious about naming body parts.

Sex selection of embryos can begin at days/weeks old. It has already been commodified £££££

We are made female or male.

Genderism is a religion.

At the expense of girls and women.

In general 'Chestfeeding' is innately offensive because it implies that there is something distasteful about breasts. Post-partum, pretty much all women will struggle with their body, breast feeding, their sense of self, their confidence. It is very, very alienating to suggest that society in general should be cautious about naming body parts.

This is never acknowledged by any of those pushing for this change in language. Ever.

Blue I feel the same.

Body dysmorphia is real. Very real.

But females banging on about giving birth AND being masculine AND Social Media 'banging the fuck on posts' AND Mainstream Media TV appearances = narcissistic grifty vibe.

Masculine women give birth ALL THE TIME. And just crack on being mums. As best they can. Whatever their style. Whatever their sexuality.

And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male

We have a word for this - sexism.

Everything else described is a specific medical condition. Everyone with a Y chromosome has male chromosomes. Sometimes for various reasons, someone with a Y chromosome can develop with an externally phenotypically female body. This is very rare and has nothing whatsoever to do with being trans.

It is always, 'where is the harm?', then if harm is shown it is 'well it is important to be inclusive!', ignoring that it is not inclusive for those who need the language to remain clear and female focused.

It’s not chest feeding! Babies are fed from women’s breasts. A health organisation should never use euphemisms to be ‘kind’, not in this context or any other. It’s confusing, its demeaning, it can be dangerous.

Body dysmorphia is real. Very real

So is this something that should be treated surgically or as a mental health issue?

This is never acknowledged by any of those pushing for this change in language. Ever.

No.