Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

@oakleaffy

Had to Google Felicity Kendall- only a still but ye gods- a gurning, grotesque parody of a once lovely face. It looked zombie like. My stepmum is 81 and looks more alive and vibrant in my opinion!

Bloody hell, she looks more like Ray Davies than Felicity Kendall.

Sorry,don't mean to derail the thread but if you think male actors in Hollywood don't have "work" done then you are very much mistaken

@VinylDetective

Estée Lauder Group - run by men Helena Rubinstein - defunct Elizabeth Arden - run by men The Body Shop - sold out to L’Oreal, run by men

Not a woman in sight any more.

But they were all started by women.

Charlotte Tilbury

Bobbi Brown

and there are more.....

People who are saying FK looked so awful with her surgery have nothing to compare her with as they have no idea what she would have looked like without.
Comparisons to other actresses and people's 90 year old aunties are irrelevant given they are different women with different faces.
You may think she looked awful, but SHE obviously thinks she looks better with the procedures than without them.
The truth is that many women dislike their naturally aging faces. Nothing to do with pressure, just looking in the mirror and not liking what they see.
If they use procedures to feel better than they would otherwise, happier, more confident, then that is their choice and impacts no one else.
If people find her 'horrifying' switch over and watch a woman who does match up to your asthetic standards. Or maybe focus on what the woman has to say instead of her ornamental value.
And no, I'm not buying the idea that the women discussed here ccontribute to pressure on women to have surgery, as if they all look so horrifying, why would anyone want to emulate them?

It’s not the women who have this stuff done I criticise, it’s the society that makes them think it’s desirable or necessary. Or that age is something to be ashamed of

No you arent. Upthread you literally just blamed the actresses/women for doing something they have to do simply to keep their jobs. Then you didnt believe actresses even had any pressure on them to look young until I actually posted their own words about it.

You keep banging on about Judi Dench as if she is representative of all actresses. She isnt. She is ONE very talented, famous female actress and there are thousands who struggle to get work over age 40 for the reasons all those actresses quoted in my previous post.
The ones who do get work are under immense pressure to stay looking young- I will repost what Emma Thompson said and she is an oscar winning actress so dont tell me that talent gets you through everything because it fucking doesnt.

Emma Thompson's own words:

Emma Thompson has revealed the enormous pressure she is under to remain stick thin and look impossibly youthful to survive in Hollywood
Asked how she liked doing big American studio films as she promoted her latest, Stranger Than Fiction, the 47-year-old actress replied: "It's such a burden having to look good. Especially on screen because what if you have a bad nights sleep

But in America everybody wants you to be twelve and size zero and it's like, no, I don't like it

One of the most famous actresses in the world who is an Oscar winner is telling you that youth and thinness are prioritised in Hollywood.
I would also ask- when was the last time Judi Dench (as amazing as she is) was the female lead in a romantic film? Because older men are OFTEN cast as the lead romantic male role and paired with much younger actresses as their romantic partners (eg Sean connery was 59 when he was paired with catherine zeta jones who was 30 in the film Entrapment. Angelina Jolie was 24, denzel was 45 in the bone collector and on and on) .

In comparison, I dont recall Judi Dench ever been cast with someone like Colin Farrell as her romantic partner....... now why do you think that is?........

Felicity Kendal's charm was youthful perkiness. She was the au naturale girl next door in a pair of dungarees in The Good Life which is what she is mostly known for. She has done lots of theatre work too but the only other significant tv work she has done is Rosemary & Thyme, where once again she played an ageing version of Barbara in TGL with dungarees and dirt and perkiness. She was one of the "nation's sweethearts", hard to give that up as you age. (She's got bloody good hair, always has done.) Apart from her face, which she has spoilt somewhat with whatever has happened around the mouth, she still has that youthful perkiness and spirit.

Also, don't forget, a lot of actors, males and females are vain too. They like being looked at, it's not all about the art. So they will find it tough to age in front of a camera's gaze.

@gnomeisland

LindyLou2020

Nope. "Actresses" is a patronising belittling outmoded job description that implies a subset of the profession of actor.

No, it implies a female person who is acting. The fact that the acting word has treated actresses less favourably that actors is the issue. Not the nouns used to describe them.

@5128gap

People who are saying FK looked so awful with her surgery have nothing to compare her with as they have no idea what she would have looked like without. Comparisons to other actresses and people's 90 year old aunties are irrelevant given they are different women with different faces. You may think she looked awful, but SHE obviously thinks she looks better with the procedures than without them. The truth is that many women dislike their naturally aging faces. Nothing to do with pressure, just looking in the mirror and not liking what they see. If they use procedures to feel better than they would otherwise, happier, more confident, then that is their choice and impacts no one else. If people find her 'horrifying' switch over and watch a woman who does match up to your asthetic standards. Or maybe focus on what the woman has to say instead of her ornamental value. And no, I'm not buying the idea that the women discussed here ccontribute to pressure on women to have surgery, as if they all look so horrifying, why would anyone want to emulate them?

I agree with a lot of the above.

BUT I'd also say that there is no evidence that FK has had anything done!

I looked at the TV prog and compared it with the shots in the tabloids.

It's clear they have taken her very worst expressions for the photos.

On screen when she is talking to GN, her lips don't look odd in any way.

I think the truth is she has simply aged!

What you saw before was FK with Botox.

Now, she says she is no longer having it and what we see is a 74 year old who loved the sun, whose photos in the 1980s show a lot of lines on her cheeks then.

But in all honesty, the people you are picking out as having had work done are the ones where it's overdone or done badly.

Anne Robinson looked great.

Jane Fonda looks great.

Alice Hart Davis (journalist who tries all of this stuff for her articles and books) looks great.

There are clearly some women - actresses or not- who go OTT and end up looking as if they are in a wind tunnel.

They go back to their drs and ask for more and more and can end up looking ridiculous (Carol Vorderman)

I get the feeling it's because some posters here can't afford it or are squeamish, or think women should wear a hair shirt once they reach a certain age.

It's actually insulting and patronising to say women have anything done to please men or society.

Actresses are different - it's a job- and I agree they ought to be chosen for talent not looks but hey- you don't have to tap into the industry by watching the films!

How many posters here are subscribing to Netflix or Sky ?

Watching these films where all the women are young and beautiful and therefore propping up the industry they complain about?

AuntieMary'scanary, I haven't looked at the FK photographs, nor did I watch the show.
Without needing to I know that a 74 year old FK is not going to look like Barabara in the Good Life,
and would no doubt be criticised for this in one quarter or another whether she had work or not.
Seems to me older women just get to choose whether to offend some people for looking naturally old, or offend other groups like the people on here for having procedures.
And tbh theres very little difference in the level of unpleasantness from both groups.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

It’s not the women who have this stuff done I criticise, it’s the society that makes them think it’s desirable or necessary. Or that age is something to be ashamed of

No you arent. Upthread you literally just blamed the actresses/women for doing something they have to do simply to keep their jobs. Then you didnt believe actresses even had any pressure on them to look young until I actually posted their own words about it.

You keep banging on about Judi Dench as if she is representative of all actresses. She isnt. She is ONE very talented, famous female actress and there are thousands who struggle to get work over age 40 for the reasons all those actresses quoted in my previous post.
The ones who do get work are under immense pressure to stay looking young- I will repost what Emma Thompson said and she is an oscar winning actress so dont tell me that talent gets you through everything because it fucking doesnt.

Emma Thompson's own words:

Emma Thompson has revealed the enormous pressure she is under to remain stick thin and look impossibly youthful to survive in Hollywood
Asked how she liked doing big American studio films as she promoted her latest, Stranger Than Fiction, the 47-year-old actress replied: "It's such a burden having to look good. Especially on screen because what if you have a bad nights sleep

But in America everybody wants you to be twelve and size zero and it's like, no, I don't like it

One of the most famous actresses in the world who is an Oscar winner is telling you that youth and thinness are prioritised in Hollywood.
I would also ask- when was the last time Judi Dench (as amazing as she is) was the female lead in a romantic film? Because older men are OFTEN cast as the lead romantic male role and paired with much younger actresses as their romantic partners (eg Sean connery was 59 when he was paired with catherine zeta jones who was 30 in the film Entrapment. Angelina Jolie was 24, denzel was 45 in the bone collector and on and on) .

In comparison, I dont recall Judi Dench ever been cast with someone like Colin Farrell as her romantic partner....... now why do you think that is?........

You need to read what more actually wrote, not what you think I wrote. And you have the audacity to accuse me of twisting things to fit my narrative ... I haven’t even disagreed with you ffs, because you’re right!

I also wish people being so critical of these women in the name of feminism would reflect on their own need to dictate the choices other women make.
No one's looks are totally natural. From the hair cut we have to the clothes we choose, we all 'enhance' ourselves to a degree or use some form of artiface to present an image, otherwise we would all just grab any garment that covered our bodies. Its merely a continuum.
What is tends to boil down to is whether the woman in question has chosen a form or level of enhancement you approve of; and its disingenuous to justify judgement of other womens' appearance with reference to feminist issues.
Women who are pro women raise other women up, they don't slate them for their looks. There's enough misogynists out there to do that already.
I completely get that our choices don't exist in a vacuum, but also think it grossly unfair to lay the responsibility for changing the way society views older women on a group of older women who are just playing the hand they've been dealt the best way they can for themselves.

And I wish people would just RTFT! Because most of the criticism is levelled at the industry that forces women to make themselves look younger, not its victims.

I get the feeling it's because some posters here can't afford it or are squeamish, or think women should wear a hair shirt once they reach a certain age.

Or maybe they think people shouldn't have to feel ashamed of ageing, and we need to change the narrative that only youth=attractive

Seems to me older women just get to choose whether to offend some people for looking naturally old, or offend other groups like the people on here for having procedures. And tbh theres very little difference in the level of unpleasantness from both groups.

Exactly.

I don't think women need worry so much about what men think, it's other women who are the poisonous snakes!

The world of film is unique. Many actresses who do carry on working go into theatre or radio as they age and yes, the industry drives that.

But anyone who watches films is driving that.

And I do wonder if women here who are so against any kind of tweaking are simply jealous they can't afford it or scared of the procedures.

There is no logical explanation of why you criticise another woman for doing what she can to look her best (subjective, yes, before you all jump on that) whether it's through a bit of Botox or a touch of filler, or having her hair dyed.

@bellascousin

I get the feeling it's because some posters here can't afford it or are squeamish, or think women should wear a hair shirt once they reach a certain age.

Or maybe they think people shouldn't have to feel ashamed of ageing, and we need to change the narrative that only youth=attractive

Why do you use such emotive words as 'ashamed'?

I am not ashamed of ageing. I just prefer my hair with some highlights instead of being grey.

I am not ashamed of anything so stop projecting emotions that women don't have.

@bellascousin Do you wear make up? Do you have your hair coloured?

[quote AuntieMarysCanary]@bellascousin Do you wear make up? Do you have your hair coloured?[/quote]
No I don’t wear makeup. Yes I dye my hair. That’s a temporary thing which I will stop doing when I’m ready. Not really comparable to injecting chemicals or undergoing surgery under general anaesthetic.

@VinylDetective

And I wish people would just RTFT! Because most of the criticism is levelled at the industry that forces women to make themselves look younger, not its victims.

I have read it all, and my comments are not aimed at posters criticising the industry, which I know your own posts are. However, I actually think the majority of posts are criticising the women. Though I haven't counted!

@AuntieMarysCanary it's totally up to each individual what they choose to do with their own appearance. But it does seem sad to me that most - I'm sure there are some who've had work where I can't tell - that use injectables don't appear- to me - to look more attractive or even younger after the procedure, which surely is the point of having it done.

And I do wonder if women here who are so against any kind of tweaking are simply jealous they can't afford it or scared of the procedures

Oh do give over. I can afford a complete face lift but I’m at peace with the signs of age on my face. It’s a pernicious society that places such a premium on youth that people feel compelled to try and turn the clock back.

@bellascousin Do you wear make up? Do you have your hair coloured?

Sometimes, to both. Not especially relevant to actresses feeling they have to go down the injectables route to be acceptable imo

[quote bellascousin]**@bellascousin Do you wear make up? Do you have your hair coloured?

Sometimes, to both. Not especially relevant to actresses feeling they have to go down the injectables route to be acceptable imo[/quote]
It's very relevant @bellascousin You said women were ashamed of getting old, hence using what's out there to look younger because younger= attractive (your words, not mine.)

So maybe question why you use make up and hair dye.

Is it to look younger or more attractive?

Do you choose jeans that flatter you? Colours that suit your hair and skin tone?

If you do any of that you are doing the very same that you say other women are doing because they are 'ashamed'.

You prefer to have some agenda that says women are ashamed of ageing, rather than simply wanting to look their best for themselves, just like you do when you put make up on.

All this fuss over injectables is nonsense. I have friends who have had a touch of fillers and they look fantastic. Even their partners didn't know, because the effect was so subtle.

You can't apply slap and have your hair dyed then criticise women for having something else done which doesn't fit with your own narrow-minded and judgemental attitudes - or rather prejudices. It's illogical.

You can't apply slap and have your hair dyed then criticise women for having something else done which doesn't fit with your own narrow-minded and judgemental attitudes - or rather prejudices. It's illogical.

I'm not criticising anybody or judging. I'm saying that society dictates. Does it dictate that I wear makeup? yes, eg to work. If I lived on a desert island I wouldn't be bothering.

You sound to be the one judging to me, if you look at your own language

Even their partners didn't know, because the effect was so subtle

In which case why bother? It’s a bit Emperor’s new clothes, isn’t it?

Good job I don’t wear make up to look younger because it certainly doesn’t work! I wear it because it’s part of a 50 year ritual of self care - I think initially I started wearing it to look older!

For about the nine millionth time, the criticism isn’t of the women who do this stuff to their faces, it’s of the society that makes them care about looking older and subliminally pressures them into feeling ashamed of it.

It's clear they have taken her very worst expressions for the photos.

Agree, and its poisonous - faux complimentary headlines, 'concern' for somebody's health because they leave the house without make up, intrusive photos of famous people 'embracing their curves', 'friends worry' because x celeb is too thin. There is no way to win - there is always a way to take an unflattering photo.