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The Bin man who was sacked for kicking the head off the Snowman.....

405 replies

TheQueef · 31/01/2021 13:27

Would you have reported?
I'm not a fan of reporting for reporting sake so this has shocked me.
Just what outcome was expected by sending footage to his bosses?

YABU = he deserves to lose his job.
YANBU = it's batshit he kicked a snowman.

Soz if there has been a thread already.

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TidyOmlette · 31/01/2021 15:27

I don’t believe this is the only reason he lost his agency place. Seems to have a bit of an arsehole personality to just randomly damage things on other peoples property.

Chloemol · 31/01/2021 15:28

I can see why they reported it, if you watch it he knocks the head off first, ok could more or less live with that, but then as they finish he demolishes it, going at it again and again. His excuse that it was in the way is unfounded

He would know kids have done this, and to smash it in is just plain nasty. There was no need

Am a bit disappointed his fellow crewmen didn’t stop him

But he also hasn’t been sacked. He is agency and just asked not to return. As an agency worker he can go elsewhere with no stain on his record. That said lots of people will know him now so if they chose to have him is another story

There was simply no need for his to destroy the snowman, no need at all

thedancingbear · 31/01/2021 15:30

He's a fucking wanker.

And he wasn't sacked, he was an agency worker and he wasn't offered more work.

It's not crime of the century, but smashing up kids' snowmen when you're meant to be working is pretty shitty behaviour.

Spidey66 · 31/01/2021 15:31

It's a snowman ffs. They're always temporary. It's a bit lijje washing chalk drawings off a pavement....the rain would sash them away anyway.

iklboo · 31/01/2021 15:33
  • Last July he was slapped with a 12-month community order, 120 hours of unpaid work and ordered to pay £250 for attacking a barman and headbutting two police officers in a drunken rage. A court heard he had been boozing on July 4 when the lockdown was eased on so-called 'Super Saturday' but was refused entry to a pub beer garden because he was so drunk.*

The article also has a selfie of him looking like he's smoking weed. Not the sharpest tool in the box is he?

thedancingbear · 31/01/2021 15:33

Weird how many handmaidens out and about today to support a violent thug. I wonder how many are first time posters.

brunetteonthebus · 31/01/2021 15:35

I think if he'd have just kicked it with no one around it wouldn't have been a big deal, although he shouldn't be kicking anything on someone's property should he. But he kicked its head off then smashed it up whilst the three year old who'd built it was watching out of the window to wave to the binmen.

That's a bloody horrible thing to do and I'm glad he lost his job over it. Arsehole. He might appreciate how mean it was when his child is three.

Eleganz · 31/01/2021 15:35

@thedancingbear

Weird how many handmaidens out and about today to support a violent thug. I wonder how many are first time posters.
Indeed, trying every possible angle too as well.
M0rT · 31/01/2021 15:35

He was lucky the child's father wasn't there and his match temperamentally.
I've known men who would have given him a hiding for that.
They would be wrong as was he.
But I have no sympathy and suggesting that the mothers neighbours will care enough about an aggressive stranger no longer doing their bins to ostracise her over it is laughable!

Ponoka7 · 31/01/2021 15:36

"Am a bit disappointed his fellow crewmen didn’t stop him"

Given his history of violence, including threatening to strangle a Police officer, after head butting them, you can't blame them.

He's a thug that you wouldn't want hanging around your property. Unfortunately it looks like the agency had overlooked the violent offence, or found out about it after this happened. His age won't always be on his side. By rights he should have got a custodial for the attack, last year, even if suspended.

Blondeshavemorefun · 31/01/2021 15:41

Sits on fence pulling splinters

It was melting and would have dissaperred in a few days

V

It was being a vandal

And according to dm - sounds like he had anger issues

not the first time Woodhouse has got in hot water for 'kicking off'.

Last July he was slapped with a 12-month community order, 120 hours of unpaid work and ordered to pay £250 for attacking a barman and headbutting two police officers in a drunken rage.

A court heard he had been boozing on July 4 when the lockdown was eased on so-called 'Super Saturday' but was refused entry to a pub beer garden because he was so drunk.

After refusing to leave, Woodhouse grabbed a barman's shirt and shoved him while shouting and swearing at other pub goers.

He left the pub but was stopped by police. Woodhouse then threatened to strangle an officer with his handcuffs in they tried to arrest him.

Officers called for emergency backup, and Woodhouse, who was trying to bang his head on the floor, was put in restraining belts.

While being taken to A&E by ambulance, he threatened police and headbutted one officer in the leg.

He headbutted another officer in the side of the head as he was taken away from the hospital.

kowari · 31/01/2021 15:41

[quote TheQueef]@DinnaeFashSassenach you're misunderstanding.
If my DC came and told me the bin man had kicked his snowman down I would sympathise, placate and dismiss.
Not check cctv.[/quote]
That would be the response of a normal decent parent, clearly these parents aren't.

LakeGeneva · 31/01/2021 15:42

lack of respect for private property

Snow isn't private property.

Moirarose2021 · 31/01/2021 15:42

I wouldn't have reported him but he seems like a complete knob and I wouldn't want to work with him

Whammyyammy · 31/01/2021 15:42

Should not of lost his job, in this current climate even more so. He has lost the ability to house and feed his family, for kicking a pile of snow.... whoever reported him is a twat

TwelvePaws · 31/01/2021 15:42

lWeird how many handmaidens out and about today to support a violent thug. I wonder how many are first time posters.

Yes, it seems very strange that so many people on here, presumably many of which are parents, are repeatedly defending the actions of a thug. 🧐 Who would argue to have this person near to your home every week or two?

MissBaskinIfYoureNasty · 31/01/2021 15:43

He sounds like an absolute degenerate anyway but yeah, getting sacked for kicking a snowman is a bit much.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 31/01/2021 15:43

@thedancingbear

Weird how many handmaidens out and about today to support a violent thug. I wonder how many are first time posters.
I’d agree with him being sacked for those violent offences. I don’t agree with him being sacked for kicking snow.
LagunaBubbles · 31/01/2021 15:45

The amount of people on this thread defending a violent thug is scary. Can you imagine his girlfriend posting? "My partners got a bit of a temperature, he's already been fined for assaulting a barman and 2 Police officers and I was scared hes going to lose his job as he threatened his boss....hes now destroyed a snowman for no reason whatsoever. I'm pregnant and hes now lost his job and is refusing to say sorry "

Mmm I think there would be lots of cries to LTB!

LagunaBubbles · 31/01/2021 15:45

Temper not temperature! Grin

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 31/01/2021 15:48

He wasn't sacked, he was an agency worker who was asked not to return to the placement. Happens all the time

He's a nasty little T**t.
The agency decided they didn't want to keep him on their books.
They owe him nothing.

Looobyloo · 31/01/2021 15:48

It wasn't a very clever thing to do but he didn't deserve to lose work over it. The family sharing it on social media should be ashamed of them selves, there's too much of this happening nowadays. Send it to his boss and let them deal with it.

I can't be doing with people like that. Anything for a bit of drama.

AngeloMysterioso · 31/01/2021 15:48

I doubt the family approached the DM themselves. More likely scenario:
-someone at the DM hears about the petition on social media
-contacts the family "hey, wanna tell you side of the story for a few grand?" or however much they pay for their sadface shite...
-gets CCTV footage from the corner shop or wherever (the camera it came from clearly isn't one from the family's property).

I also doubt they intended for the bloke to not get further work, but if I ran an agency with him on the books, I wouldn't be sending any more jobs his way either. Act like a dick on the job, suffer the consequences.

Original poster
TheQueef · 31/01/2021 15:48

I don't think anyone has defended him?

Not agreeing he should lose his job doesn't mean condoning his actions.

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LakeGeneva · 31/01/2021 15:49

@Eleganz the employment arrangements are absolutely key to my mind. An organisation cannot demand that a worker uphold standards of said organisation while refusing to give said worker an employment contract.

And as I stated previously, all waste operatives are employed on this basis. They're all agency workers. Which is a decision the council has chosen to take. Bit much for them to then state that those workers have to adhere to some imaginary arbitrary non snowman kicking standard when they won't even give those workers a contract of employment.