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Original poster

The Bin man who was sacked for kicking the head off the Snowman.....

405 replies

TheQueef · 31/01/2021 13:27

Would you have reported?
I'm not a fan of reporting for reporting sake so this has shocked me.
Just what outcome was expected by sending footage to his bosses?

YABU = he deserves to lose his job.
YANBU = it's batshit he kicked a snowman.

Soz if there has been a thread already.

OP posts:

hungarianhybrid · 31/01/2021 16:13

I'm more concerned with how obese the 3 year old child is than someone kicking snow

davidsSchitt · 31/01/2021 16:13

"Not that steady a job though is it?"

In my area it is and it's a well paid and well regarded job too. He's an idiot.

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/01/2021 16:15

I voted batshit.
No law saying you are a robot of the state and must empty bins and never act like a human.

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/01/2021 16:17

He's an angry, violent thug

Let’s not throw racist pejoratives about when there is no harm done by kicking at a a lump of snow.

Girlyracer · 31/01/2021 16:18

He's a prat but it's a bit of a stretch to lose your job over it. Not sure what professional standards are applied when being a bin man. You don't know if this lad has had previous warnings over his immaturity etc.

DogsSausages · 31/01/2021 16:18

He wasnt sacked, the Council dont want him back through the agency. He has a history of assault. He showed total disrespect and acted like a complete idiot. I wouldnt employ him either.

Itsokthanks · 31/01/2021 16:18

It was very childish and I would think he's a bit of a dick but shouldn't loose his job over it.

isadorapolly · 31/01/2021 16:18

From the looks of him it’s probably not the first job he’s lost by acting like a dickhead.

WanderingMilly · 31/01/2021 16:18

Really not worth losing his job over this.
I happened to see the video and he kicks the head off the top of a large snowman, it looks like he just saw it and didn't think. Not like he jumped on the whole thing and trampled it down....not that it makes any difference.

Silly laddish thing to do but to lose your job over this? No way. Should have just been called into the office and told not to do it again, think first as it isn't good customer relations etc., etc. And then drop it.

NailsNeedDoing · 31/01/2021 16:18

the parents of the 3 year old should not have reported him,

They were probably angry that their child was going to be understandably upset at the actions of a rude, aggressive, disrespectful man who should have just done his job and minded his own business. The parents did nothing wrong by reporting, it may be that they have prevented another family from having to put up with this mans nasty behaviour.

Eleganz · 31/01/2021 16:21

[quote LakeGeneva]@Eleganz I'm not saying that workers can do as they please. But it is hypocritical in the extreme to contract out work while simultaneously expecting workers to uphold standards of an employer that refuses to employ them.

Plus this is just arbitrary media pleasing shite. Which costs the council literally nothing and makes them look like the good guys (for upholding the rights of snowmen?) while all the time we are glossing over the fact that there are posts that are permanently needed, all year every year, that are being fulfilled by workers who have no employment protections and who can be and are indeed deprived of livelihood on the sayso of a tabloid, even though the work they do is categorised as essential.[/quote]
It is not hypocritical at all. Contracting is a fact of life. The council place the expectation in the contractor (agency) that their employees will behave in a certain way and that expectation is passed on by the employer to the employee. This is standard, uncontroversial stuff that is pretty much a requirement to comply with health and safety law and mitigate against vicarious liability actions.

I used to work on an operational heavy industrial site which would have, at times, over 5,000 contractors at work on the site during shutdowns. Were my employer hypocritical to expect all those working on the site to adhere to a code of behaviour that was explained at induction?

AngeloMysterioso · 31/01/2021 16:21

I happened to see the video and he kicks the head off the top of a large snowman, it looks like he just saw it and didn't think. Not like he jumped on the whole thing and trampled it down....

You clearly didn’t see the whole video then, because that’s exactly what he did.

Jumpintothefire · 31/01/2021 16:22

YANBU
Mean thing to do but he should lose his job or not be offered any more shifts for it . A simple apology would be enough . The child's parents are really twattish .

thedancingbear · 31/01/2021 16:22

I'm not defending anything this man has done, but what's the alternative to him doing council agency work? Should we put him in prison and throw away the key? Leave him on the dole (so he can hang around wherever he likes for as long as he likes kicking in snowmen)? Surely it's better for him to be in work, doing something useful, bringing in a wage to support his partner and the child that's on the way?

He should stop acting violently and then he may be able to hold down a job. No-one has an absolute entitlement to paid employment. His position is entirely of his making and it's entirely within his gift to change it.

Jumpintothefire · 31/01/2021 16:23

*should not

thedancingbear · 31/01/2021 16:23

@Jumpintothefire

YANBU Mean thing to do but he should lose his job or not be offered any more shifts for it . A simple apology would be enough . The child's parents are really twattish .

More apologism for male violence. Shocking.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 31/01/2021 16:23

@hungarianhybrid

I'm more concerned with how obese the 3 year old child is than someone kicking snow

You care more about the child's weight than you do about the impact this aggressive, nasty little man (who has form for anti-social behaviour) has on others? Great priorities there hungarian.

DogsSausages · 31/01/2021 16:24

I wonder how he will feel and react if someone does that to his child

lockeddownandcrazy · 31/01/2021 16:24

@PlanDeRaccordement

He's an angry, violent thug

Let’s not throw racist pejoratives about when there is no harm done by kicking at a a lump of snow.

Racist? How so?

Destroying someone elses work - what would be different if it was a flowerbed or something then?

VinylCafe · 31/01/2021 16:25

@Wenolikeexplodeythings

But he didnt just knock the head off, did he? He stood there for a while kicking the thing apart. And the kids who made it were sitting at their window watching it happen and crying.

The guy was at work. Doesnt matter that he is a bin man, he was at work and needs to display a professional standard. What he did want professional. He was meant to be working but stood there kicking the thing to pieces. If you do that on work time, whilst dressed for work and next to your work vehicle, then you are doing it whilst representing your employer and they dont want that sort of representation.

He was agency staff, so he'll probably be sent out on another contract as the agency dont seem to have removed him. That council just wont have him in.

This! He's supposed to be a father soon? He should be the one who should grow up. To those saying it was just a snowman, what about the other charges against him where he was drunk and violent? I feel sorry for his future DC.

Eleganz · 31/01/2021 16:25

@Jumpintothefire

YANBU Mean thing to do but he should lose his job or not be offered any more shifts for it . A simple apology would be enough . The child's parents are really twattish .

Well why is he refusing to apologise?

hungarianhybrid · 31/01/2021 16:26

@Goodbye2020Hello2021 yes I am the child's weight will affect him his whole life and cause him many health problems whereas he probably forgot about the snow man within a couple of hours

funinthesun19 · 31/01/2021 16:26

He was arrogant and unprofessional for doing the big high kick. So even if it was just a big lump of snow and not a little boy’s snowman, he was behaving like a cocky thug. His behaviour was totally unnecessary.

I don’t know why people find him funny or are making excuses for him.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 31/01/2021 16:27

Wandering - Silly laddish thing to do but to lose your job over this? No way. Should have just been called into the office and told not to do it again, think first as it isn't good customer relations etc., etc. And then drop it
He was called into the office. He didn't exactly apologise!

davidsSchitt · 31/01/2021 16:27

"Let’s not throw racist pejoratives about when there is no harm done by kicking at a a lump of snow."

@PlanDeRaccordement sorry what?!

No harm done by losing his temper when he's clearly just been told to pack it in by his supervisor and then gone on to swear at his employer....he's already on probation for several violent assaults. Not sure where racism comes into it though

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