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to think that the effect on children's mental health is exaggerated?

614 replies

SmudgeButt · 30/01/2021 13:17

Look I have no doubt that lots of kids are missing their friends, school, grandparents. And all of these things will effect their development and mental health. But is it really that bad a situation compared to other things in the past?? Or is it just that we talk about it a whole nauseatingly more?

I'm thinking that the current situation isn't a patch on the effect of living in a country that's at war - thinking back to WW2 and the effect of being suddenly shipped off to strangers in the countryside or even to a different country. Thinking of those children in Europe who suddenly had to fend for themselves in Jewish ghettos or concentration camps.

People that survived (yes a lot didn't as they were murdered) no doubt had lifetime impacts but so many of their children say "dad was always cheerful, never talked about what happened".

AIBU to think that in a few years kids of today will say "wow, that was weird and I'm glad it's over, now let's get one with life" ?

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Veterinari · 30/01/2021 19:39

@IDontMindMarmite

More than 2 million people worldwide have died from Covid.
And more than 20 million people died in WW1 alone.

I'm not saying COVID hasn't had an impact, but I don't think catastrophising inaccurate figures to make a point is helpful.

Mondayz · 30/01/2021 19:40

Yabvvvvu.

Imissmoominmama · 30/01/2021 19:41

Of my friends who have spoken to me about their kids’ MH, ones 11 yr old has begun to self harm, and the other’s 17 yr old son disclosed to her that he wanted to take his own life.

There is virtually no way for a depressed teenager to work out that stress physically at the moment- and the longer it goes on, the harder it will be for them to face going back out into the real world.

Wowthisisreal · 30/01/2021 19:41

FWIW my elderly relatives lived through the war, in London and were evacuated and lost loved ones. They say this is worse.

ancientgran · 30/01/2021 19:41

@ImsorryWilson

Maybe OP you mean more that the media dramatises it? I would agree with you on that. Just because something is true it isn’t true for everyone and the BBC tends to have one tone with no nuance.

Am aware of two family members who obviously had lifelong PTSD after WWII (extreme experiences over a long period).

I think the media are actually causing harm with their fixation on children's education/life/future being ruined when the reality is most children will be fine in the end, that doesn't mean it is pleasant or they are all happy.

I get GS up every morning for school online registration, I watch the news, I don't think there was a day last week when we didn't hear about how damaged he must be, how his mental health must be suffering, how his future is ruined. Not a positive way to start the day. Maybe just one day they could have some kids on who are loving it and doing well.

CountessFrog · 30/01/2021 19:42

OP.

Bless you.

Kind of hoping you don’t have children.

ancientgran · 30/01/2021 19:42

@Wowthisisreal

FWIW my elderly relatives lived through the war, in London and were evacuated and lost loved ones. They say this is worse.
That might be because their memories have faded or because they are old now and feel more vulnerable or it might be because this is worse. Who knows and how can you compare?
WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 30/01/2021 19:43

[quote GintyMcGinty]@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

Like I said it's not a competition 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
You didn't read what I wrote.

NOT all children are suffering.

UrAWizHarry · 30/01/2021 19:43

What a nasty thread this is.

Silenceisgolden20 · 30/01/2021 19:44

Do you work in mental health OP?

How on earth would you know?

And there is a reason people down ttlak about the horrific things from the war. Doesn't mean they were 'cheerful' or ok. Unless you can see inside peoples minds.

Theres such a thing called masking.

DeeCeeCherry · 30/01/2021 19:44

With that outlook OP, I am very glad you aren't in a role that requires you to assess young people's mental health, within which you'd brush off their concerns/anxiety because their reason isn't suitable enough/yeah but what about the War...

Has anyone smugly blamed 'the parents' yet for not being as resilient as they are?

VegetableLove · 30/01/2021 19:45

@EveryDayIsADuvetDay

In all the other situations, children could still play with their friends

There were some interesting documentaries on over the last week with holocaust survivors.
Sometimes they were talking about being in the same camps as schoolfriends, also about carrying out the dead bodies of siblings to add to the pile of dead bodies outside the overcrowded huts they lived in.
They were survivors in their 80s/90s, they had families, many had had successful careers.

Sounds a lot worse than schools not being open for a few weeks, but keep on telling your little darlings that their mental health is severely impacted by not being able to go to school, I'm sure they'll believe you.

Fuck me that's a weirdly unempathetic response to a global pandemic. If our children aren't carrying their siblings' corpses outside to be burnt they don't have anything to complain about? Confused

OK then.

Silenceisgolden20 · 30/01/2021 19:45

@UrAWizHarry

What a nasty thread this is.
Awful. Why would someone start this?
LetItGoGo · 30/01/2021 19:47

It's the isolation, enforced helplessness plus lack of exercise opportunities that are imo going to have a short and long term effects.

Iheartmysmart · 30/01/2021 19:49

Gosh, nasty thread. I nearly lost my DS to a serious attempt on his life a few years ago. Over the last year he has had his exams cancelled, his apprenticeship cancelled, several driving tests cancelled, lost a friend to suicide, had his 18th birthday in lockdown and had all his coping mechanisms taken away from him. He is really struggling with his mental health at the moment.

Despite this, he gets up at 5.30am five mornings a week to work in a supermarket, picking home delivery orders for people who would happily call him a snowflake, lucky he wasn’t around during a world war and that he lacks resilience.

He’s a better person than me because I’d happily see each one of the nasty, spiteful fuckers starve.

VegetableLove · 30/01/2021 19:50

[quote Awalkintime]FluffyPJs and VegetableLove

Read this about ACEs.

victimfocusblog.com/2019/03/15/why-you-need-to-remain-critical-of-aces-adverse-childhood-experiences/[/quote]
I don't think the person who wrote that understands statistics. Or trauma. Or really much at all. Her argument seems to be basically 'Well x happened to Y person and they are OK so that means Y must not be particularly bad'. Which is really stupid.

But I did stop reading before the end so perhaps I missed the moment of startling insight...

Carysmatthews · 30/01/2021 19:51

@IDontMindMarmite

There's been more deaths than ww2 and ww1 combined so let's not underestimate the fear we are living in.
Hardly.
Iknowwhatudidlastsummer · 30/01/2021 19:52

It's not nasty to point out that people insisting on dramatising everything are damaging their own children. Not the lockdown, not the government, THEY are.

If you burst into tears about the horror of it all, and all my poor abandoned darlings missing out on your childhood, how is that helping anyone? It 's not helping you, it's surely not helping your children.

It's your job to teach them resilience

Rattysparklebum · 30/01/2021 19:54

I am currently working with a project supporting children’s emotional well-being, the children I am seeing are highly anxious, lockdown has made them feel that ‘outside’ is dangerous, every time their parent goes out they worry something bad is going to happen to them, they are going to catch Covid and die or have a car crash, these children are thinking about death and dying every day, this is going to have a lasting impact.

BogRollBOGOF · 30/01/2021 19:59

DM's early childhood was dominated by WW2. She couldn't remember peace. She was bombed out twice in close succession which the Dr attributed as the trigger for coming close to dying from pneumonia. Her war memories are about family pulling together in adversity.
Further damage was caused by her broken father after the war. Her brother born after the war has been damaged by that toll. Her father comitted suicide 20 years after the war, but it was caused by his war injuries and experiences and the chain of events after.
One sign of DM's background is the hoarding and sentimentality over anything no matter how broken or useless. There are still consequences to the traumas in her childhood.

My DCs are relatively privilaged, but their childhood has very different goalposts to their grandmother's. Education and grades are much more valued and faliure to get them has a far higher socio-economic cost than not having an academic background in the 40s/ 50s. I would be breaking the law to turf them out in the street to play freely in a group of children!

DS1 isn't too bothered by lockdown... the costs will come later. His EHCP is delayed. I'm obstructed from researching appropriate secondary schools. Time will tell how much I can compensate for that when making a snap decision for his secondary application in September. If I get it wrong, the costs could be huge.

DS2 worries me more. His friendships weren't well established, and the two-tier education system meant that the group of boys he favoured continued in school for the majority of the 5.5 months that DS2 did not step through the school gates. He did not integrate back with them Sep-Dec. He hasn't got a friend. He buries his head in my lap during live lessons. His social confidence has evaporated, not helped by his only playmate being a dominant older brother who is easily triggered into meltdown. He flinches easily because he expects his brother to hit him at any moment. I wrote to the headteacher the night that lockdown was announced about how they need school because of DS1's multiple SENs and the depressed behaviour that DS2 displayed in lockdown #1. She didn't reply.

I can not give DS2 the one thing that he craves most and would bring him happiness, because I am not a 7 year old playmate. School would also take a dim view of criminal damage to smash in a way to let DS2 in.

I was resiliant following my dad's sudden death in the street when I was 11... because 2 days later I was back with the routine and structure of school, school friends to talk to and a 6 hour window of normality when I didn't have to face grief.

Lockdown robs children and young people of what they need to be resiliant. Resiliance comes from security, not ignoring shit.

My children's experiences are their own. It's not top trumps for validity of experience.
Some children are fine.
Some children are going through the most awful avoidable, unsupported or aggravated life shit.
Some children already haven't survived.

The government has repeatedly made choices that hinder children or overlook their needs causing unnecessary damage.

UrAWizHarry · 30/01/2021 20:00

Aka the "get a grip" response.

playthegame · 30/01/2021 20:09

@IDontMindMarmite

There's been more deaths than ww2 and ww1 combined so let's not underestimate the fear we are living in.
Really? 2.2 million COVID deaths worldwide. Pretty sure at least 6 million jewish people were murdered and that's just during WWII!
Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin · 30/01/2021 20:15

@Iknowwhatudidlastsummer l think kids will feed off their parents too - l know how panicky my daughter gets if l am worrying about something (not talking anything major, just silly things like l can't find my keys for example) and if l was in a constant state of worry she would be too.
But l do understand this is a massive struggle for some parents so very hard to not be outwardly anxious. And some kids are natural worriers.
My dd is loving lockdown so l have no concerns but my heart goes out to those who really are suffering.

Changi · 30/01/2021 20:16

Pretty sure at least 6 million jewish people were murdered and that's just during WWII!

Add to that around 15 million Russian civilians killed.

Awalkintime · 30/01/2021 20:16

VegetableLove

How funny you think its just a random blog from someone who knows nothing! What a huge judgement you have made on this person. One she speaks about all the time.

It isn't some random who wrote it - it is a woman who's job is it to deal with trauma and she speaks so much truth if you care to read her work fully. She is a Dr and has published work so yes she does understand and use statistics in her own work.

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