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To ask for the worst CV's you've ever seen?!

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Isitgiroday · 29/01/2021 10:27

About to pimp my CV prior to a career change after almost a decade in the same industry - looking for tips and hints of what to avoid!

OP posts:
Gwenhwyfar · 29/01/2021 14:17

"we dont see your age on your application (though obviously qualifications etc do give it away a bit) "

You usually have to give year of qualifications and years of starting jobs so age is usually totally obvious.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/01/2021 14:17

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Comic sans. No CV should ever be written in comic sans. Likewise fancy coloured paper/stationary screams of desperation.

Allow me to correct this.
Nothing should ever be written in comic sans😂

No no - infant school materials can be written in comic sans - but yeah, that's it. Grin
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 29/01/2021 14:19

Loving the helpful little note from mum still left on!!

I think part of the problem is that recruiters are very different, and you usually have no idea what sort of person they will be. One will say "I don't care about your interests and what you get up to at weekends" but another will say "I like a conversation starter and to be able to see the whole person rather than just cold, hard facts". Some will find the inclusion of a photo weird and unnecessary whereas others will find it helpful and friendlier to be able to put a face to a name in their heads as they look through their history.

As has been said, you might consider your GCSEs and A-Levels (or equivalent) completely pointless when they were 30 years ago, but some employers are very insistent on basic maths and English skills - and there's nothing else after that stage in your life that objectively confirms whether you have these skills or not. They may also be of the opinion that they are the foundation of your abilities and, if you didn't even do well with them, you could just have been winging the rest ever since!

Whilst it is genuinely funny to hear the stories of people writing it on bog roll or sending in 20 photos of them with their nan at their graduation, it's easy to forget that constructing a CV for the first time is a daunting prospect - and that many people will have grown up in less-than supportive households, underprivileged backgrounds, patchy education history etc. It's the accepted norm for many of us, but if you're told you have to send one in when you just need to get work in a very basic non-skilled NMW role to earn money to pay your bills, it must often seem like a great big meaningless mountain that somebody has put in your way, just to show you up.

I've got good qualifications and am reasonably intelligent, but I would struggle with the ones who insist on a full handwritten A4 cover letter (even though the role is 100% computer based), as I have severe nerve damage in my hands that makes writing more than a few words by hand very painful indeed. My choices would be to be in a lot of pain for hours whilst I completed it, not to apply for the job on that basis alone or to just send it in typed with a brief explanation. Even in the case of the latter, some employers would see it and be more than happy with the alternative when an applicant has a disability; but others - especially the sort who insist on seeing your handwriting in the first place when you'll never be using it in the job anyway - will write you off as lazy, arrogant and/or unable/unwilling to follow basic instructions and orders, or they may simply feel glad to have 'dodged the bullet' of having the 'burden' of a disabled person in their team (in which case, I'd never want to work for somebody like that, even if I personally enjoyed perfect health).

For a number of reasons, it's very possible for a CV to actually present a barrier between a very suitable employee and the right job rather than helping with the honing and filtering process to make sure that everybody is in the right place for them and their employers.

Tomv · 29/01/2021 14:19

as an ex-recruiter I can help.
Assume the person reading it is an idiot. Spell out everything.

Make it punchy with short easy to absorb bullet points.

Put numbers on your achievements eg "I took project lead on blah blah which finished 3 weeks ahead of deadline saving the company £100k in efficiency savings". They can then see you as less of a risk when hiring.

BlackCakeyStuff · 29/01/2021 14:19

I used to open and collate mail for Ford Motor Company. I once got a covering letter where the applicant had written the name of the company multiple times and spelt Ford wrong every time.

Gwenhwyfar · 29/01/2021 14:20

"Make sure you have asked your referees to be your referee."

The norm is to put something like 'contact details of referees available on request' isn't it? Then they can't contact your referees without warning you. I know it's different in teaching, but in all the jobs I've applied to, they have never contacted referees before offering me the job anyway.

hansgrueber · 29/01/2021 14:21

@Holly60

CVs with apostrophes in the wrong place would really annoy me
Please tell me you're being ironic!
Gwenhwyfar · 29/01/2021 14:22

"Put numbers on your achievements eg "I took project lead on blah blah which finished 3 weeks ahead of deadline saving the company £100k in efficiency savings". They can then see you as less of a risk when hiring."

I thought it wasn't the norm to use the first person, except maybe in the personal statement?

thedancingbear · 29/01/2021 14:24

@unlimiteddilutingjuice

A friend of mine knocked up a joke CV for his girlfriend intending her to use the layout as a template. She didnt look at it closely and handed it in. It listed her accomplishments as: "invented jam" and "shot a man in Reno just to watch him die"
A colleague of mine once reviewed a CV where the candidate had listed amongst his hobbies 'sexual deviancy'.

I assume he didn't get the job, not because he was a deviant, but because he hadn't check that his CV hadn't been tampered with before he sent it.

Gwenhwyfar · 29/01/2021 14:26

"I would struggle with the ones who insist on a full handwritten A4 cover letter "

Who does that nowadays? It's all by email isn't it?
I wouldn't answer a request for a handwritten cover letter anyway because I'd be worried that they were into graphology or something - was used quite a bit for recruiting in France at one point I think.

I do remember hearing of someone being rejected for primary teaching for typing rather than handwriting the application as the head wanted to see if she had clear handwriting, but that was many years ago in a job where your handwriting was relevant.

thedancingbear · 29/01/2021 14:26

^Holly60

CVs with apostrophes in the wrong place would really annoy me

Please tell me you're being ironic!^

I wouldn't put an apostrophe in 'CVs' nowadays, if that's what you're driving at. It makes my teeth itch a bit but it seems to be the prevailing trend.

CruCru · 29/01/2021 14:27

Re the photos. There are some positions where it would be expected that you would include a photo (I am thinking of senior positions where work may cover offices in more than one country or region). If you include a photo, it should be one that looks professional - think the sort of photos seen under "Our people" in law firms. Wearing neutral make up and professional clothes, with a neutral or slightly smiling expression. I like photos taken at a slight angle with the head turned so the face is pointing towards the camera.

Please no topless photos, group photos, "fun" photos, "sexy photos". You want to look like a sensible grown up who will do a good job.

grassisjeweled · 29/01/2021 14:28

I can't believe the amount of people fooled by 'detale'

bibliomania · 29/01/2021 14:28

I love the candidate who was once the fastest Brownie in Peckham. Who could resist boasting?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/01/2021 14:29

Don't explain how humanitarian your decision to change industries will be.

I had a handful of apparently eminent PhD holders wanting to 'give back' and come and teach in our catch-up maths and English department!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/01/2021 14:30

@Gwenhwyfar

"Make sure you have asked your referees to be your referee."

The norm is to put something like 'contact details of referees available on request' isn't it? Then they can't contact your referees without warning you. I know it's different in teaching, but in all the jobs I've applied to, they have never contacted referees before offering me the job anyway.

Probably different in teaching and in Australia, dunno.

Here, you put your referees on your application and it's one of the last steps of the recruitment process to contact said referees - if they don't know they've been put down as a referee it's another giant black mark and can disqualify the candidate from the job.

alltoomuchrightnow · 29/01/2021 14:31

Had a scrawly handwritten one where 'they sacked me as didnt like i was seeing the manager'
Another listed in Interests...'Collecting early edition Bakelite plastics'. My manager was very nerdy and did interview the guy on the basis of that...

thedancingbear · 29/01/2021 14:32

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Don't explain how humanitarian your decision to change industries will be.

I had a handful of apparently eminent PhD holders wanting to 'give back' and come and teach in our catch-up maths and English department!

Quite. Nothing like a candidate telling you they're doing you a favour by applying.
ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/01/2021 14:34

CVs does not require an apostrophe, any more than any other plural does.
Putting an apostrophe before the s in a plural = the grocers' apostrophe (or possibly the grocer's apostrophe, depending on whether it's multiple grocers or just the one!), since it's a common error seen in grocery shops.
Bean's - £1
Tomato's £2
etc.

supersplodge · 29/01/2021 14:36

Agree with PPs who say explain why you'd be good at the job. Read the advert through carefully, list all the skills and experience they've asked for and make sure you include evidence of what you've done in the past that shows you meet those criteria.

Ideally, you could put a couple of sentences against each job you've done in the past (or if you've had one 'job' with several aspects then list them as bullets) showing clearly how that provides the evidence.

eg x date to x date - sales manager for y - I was responsible for managing a team of 8 direct reports, which greatly enhanced my people management skills. While in the role I introduced a new training programme which resulted in sales increasing 150% over 11 months. I travelled the country delivering the programme over a period of six months, further enhancing my presentation and training skills.

You can also mention other skills etc that the job hasn't asked for, to give a full picture - but be brief.

If you want to evidence something that you can't easily include there, you can mention it in your covering letter. Always do a covering letter (email) - this is where you can say why you think you'd be good at the job and why you'd like it - but only briefly!

Set the (2 page) CV info out in clear, easy to read sections with bold, underline, bullets etc. The job history bit you can put into a table with columns for date, employer, and then a wide one for the role/job title and relevant info - if that helps to make it easier for the reader to pick out the key points.

And as others have said - don't waste space on things you did years ago, always be truthful (but positive) - and no comic sans.....Grin!

Good luck!

TTCat39 · 29/01/2021 14:40

I am really surprised at the comments like "I don't care what you like to do in your spare time, I just want to know if you can do the job" and similar. It might be of no consequence to a recruitment manager who will never again work with the applicant. But to their line manager and colleagues this is really important. It shows what sort of person they may end up spending most of their waking hours with. And whether the person has added richness to their lives through experiences that will positively impact their wellbeing. If those people are to review an application, I would definitely suggest including some personal information such as that.

m0therofdragons · 29/01/2021 14:40

Worst I have seen was early 2000s with a cover sheet that had a clip art cartoon donkey with the words “Don’t be a donkey, pick me!”

It was not appropriate at all and the applicant included date of birth and was early 50s so not a young inexperienced individual. Massive cringe.

I also hate general cvs with no work to link skills to job spec at all.

supersplodge · 29/01/2021 14:42

@Gwenhwyfar

"Put numbers on your achievements eg "I took project lead on blah blah which finished 3 weeks ahead of deadline saving the company £100k in efficiency savings". They can then see you as less of a risk when hiring."

I thought it wasn't the norm to use the first person, except maybe in the personal statement?

It was totally the norm in the banking industry where I worked until fairly recently. As someone else said - if a person put 'we' they'd be told to change it to 'I' if at all possible. And always make it personal - the CV is about you, not the industry you worked in.
thedancingbear · 29/01/2021 14:45

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

CVs does not require an apostrophe, any more than any other plural does. Putting an apostrophe before the s in a plural = the grocers' apostrophe (or possibly the grocer's apostrophe, depending on whether it's multiple grocers or just the one!), since it's a common error seen in grocery shops. Bean's - £1 Tomato's £2 etc.
It's not quite the same as a greengrocer's apostrophe though. The main function of an apostrophe is to denote missing characters and if you go back a couple of decades 'CVs' would be more conventionally written 'C.V.'s'. The New York Times still writes things this way (though of course they'd write 'resume' or some other mangled shit): afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/faqs-on-style/#:~:text=Use%20apostrophes%20for%20plurals%20of,'s%2C%20C.P.A.'s.&text=But%20do%20not%20use%20apostrophes,1990s%2C%20747s%2C%20size%207s.
SilverSlowlySaintly · 29/01/2021 14:48

@Mylittlepony374

Check spelling. Don't tell me you like to cook/read etc I don't care. Be concise, I need enough information to know you are suitable for the position, no more. No comic sans font. Don't tell me your personality is "bubbly". Not sure what the worst I've seen was. Maybe the American that highlighted very tenuous Irish heritage (great great grandfather's mothers uncles sister type thing) as a reason he would fit in our team. Our team is based in Ireland. But none of us are Irish. A little research goes a long way.
I’ve never got the snootiness over Comic Sans Font, it’s fairly easy to read and not offensive in any way

It’s like ridiculing people who don’t like their meat rare, and being rude about regional accents.

Am I missing something ?

Or is just another example of pointless snobbery and nothing else?