To not allow DH into our house for 10 days?

[MrsJE]

Opinions needed please.
DH is at work this evening and came across a man who was slumped on the floor and not responding when asked if he was OK.
DH phoned 999 and they asked him to do chest compressions on the person as his breathing was shallow, which DH did until the ambulance arrived.
DH recognises the man as one of the local homeless that sleep near his work and it appears he may have taken spice.
Now, my dilemma is I'm 50yrs old and have spent half my life in and out of hospital with asthma attacks. We still have two children living at home and we are also raising our grandson who has additional needs. DH himself is 52 and has a blood disorder that he is on long term medication for. We have tried to be careful during this pandemic, we're not shielding as DH works in an office (either alone or with one other person at a time) and grandson attends school of a morning as he is classed as vulnerable but, we keep to the rules and do as much as possible to minimise our risk.
I now feel DH should stay in our eldest sons spare room for 10 days but DH thinks I'm being ridiculous.
Am I being unreasonable?

[Doublefaced]

Saraclara the public have this idea that NHS issue PPE is something other than what we have.
That’s the point.
It’s basic.

But for someone to suggest that any member of clinical staff on a COVID ward is not wearing a mask is riduculous.

[SatishTheCat]

@Playnoh

Wow op. Just wow. This is a sad thread. YABVVVU

Why on earth if you’ve read the full thread would you find the OP is BVVU other than to make her feel bad?

[Ostryga]

@Doublefaced I didn’t say when she was ON the ward, she isn’t wearing full PPE when office based. Hence not all the time. It’s not hard to comprehend. Sisters aren’t always on the floor.

[Doublefaced]

Sure. She’s in her office on a covid ward not wearing a mask.
Course she is.
What else would you like to tell me about ward sisters on covid wards? 😂

[NotExactlyHappyToHelp]

So he’s too much of a risk to be let in the house however he’s been and done a full night shift? Shouldn’t he isolate properly or do you only care about your immediate family? Either he’s a risk to everyone or a risk to no one.

[Ostryga]

@Doublefaced ok. You are obviously incapable of having a discussion like an adult. I was just asking a question, I did not need to be jumped on and called an idiot.

I don’t know the ins and outs of everything, I’m just relaying what my sister and I have chatted about.

You have an awful way of talking to people, who might not know as much as you. Do you feel extremely clever and wonderful now? Knowing that you’ve been nasty and condescending for absolutely no reason? Hope you do.

[TonMoulin]

@MrsJE

Wow some of these replies
DH finished his night shift and went to sleep in our eldest sons spare bedroom... he only lives 2 minutes away so DH hasn't had to go out of his way.
DH is fine and has now said he is happy to isolate but feels bad for me as I will have our grandson (he has additional needs) to cope with on my own.
Apparently a mask was put on the collapsed man by a lady who was there too, my husband had a mask and gloves on and did chest compressions for approximately five minutes when someone else took over for five minutes at which point medical help arrived.
I'm still not sure what to do to be honest.

Basically you are still working in the assumption that this was likely covid positive with no indication what so ever that he was.

Your DH is still going to work even though you think the risk is too high for him to share the same room than you.

I’m at lost as to what is the situation here.

Was this man covid positive or not? Have you had any news form the hospital or track and trace about it? Have you even enquired or got some advice from them?

You want your DH to self isolate from the rest if the family so you are considering that he has been close contact with someone testing positive.
In that case, why is your DH still at work? If he is close contact, he shouldn’t be leaving the should at all.
If he is not back at work, how did he explain the fact he will be ‘off’ for 10 days to his company? I’m aware that many companies don’t appreciate people self isolating Willy nilly nor would be happy to actually pay said workers....

I have to say I’m utterly confused.

[Tiredmum100]

@Contrmary wow - I would never call the general population scum. That's not my opinion at all. I have nursed many many people, people after taking spice, people detoxing, from alcohol, a grandmother, a dad ... anyone. And never do I call people scum..its just not in my nature to name call or judge. I just follow guidelines set out by the NHS Trust I work for, where we are told to put on full PPE before commencing CPR. I can not answer for the 999 call handler who advised the OPs husband to commence CPR without PPE, but never once in my post did I say the general population are scum and can crack on. As I've said I just follow procedure set out where I work.

[Doublefaced]

[quote Ostryga]@Doublefaced ok. You are obviously incapable of having a discussion like an adult. I was just asking a question, I did not need to be jumped on and called an idiot.

I don’t know the ins and outs of everything, I’m just relaying what my sister and I have chatted about.

You have an awful way of talking to people, who might not know as much as you. Do you feel extremely clever and wonderful now? Knowing that you’ve been nasty and condescending for absolutely no reason? Hope you do.[/quote]
And perhaps you’ve learned that if you want to appear like an expert on social media, at least be sure of your facts. Rest assured that on MN that if you spout conjecture as facts , you WILL be called on it.

[Ostryga]

No I’ve just learnt not to engage with incredibly nasty people!

[blueberryporridge]

OP for a not being unreasonable. The official guidance is to behave as if you have the virus and people you encounter have it so especially on her DH’s circumstances and the vulnerable family member she is right to be super careful within her home. The question about her DH at work is quite interesting though. Unless he is confirmed as a close contact of someone who has Covid he doesn’t HAVE to self isolate. But he should be doing his best to socially distance and be super careful.

Also interested to know A. if OP or her DH would be told by hospital if they asked whether man he helped had Covid. And B if DH would definitely be listed as a contact for track and trace if homeless man was positive for Covid. I think there is a fair chance that her DH might be missed from the track and trace list unless hospital have documented DH’s details which might not necessarily happen.

Absolutely horrified by number of posters who don’t understand risk of infection and need to be as careful as possible generally.

[Lovely1a2b3c]

@oldegg123

I think a lot of posters are missing the point.

Your DH was in a high risk situation (ie very close contact) with a high risk person (someone who is homeless). It would therefore be sensible to isolate. It’s not a punishment!

You are a tad U for referring to the man as an homeless’ however

I agree with oldegg123 and you OP.

[Lovely1a2b3c]

@blueberryporridge

OP for a not being unreasonable. The official guidance is to behave as if you have the virus and people you encounter have it so especially on her DH’s circumstances and the vulnerable family member she is right to be super careful within her home. The question about her DH at work is quite interesting though. Unless he is confirmed as a close contact of someone who has Covid he doesn’t HAVE to self isolate. But he should be doing his best to socially distance and be super careful.

Also interested to know A. if OP or her DH would be told by hospital if they asked whether man he helped had Covid. And B if DH would definitely be listed as a contact for track and trace if homeless man was positive for Covid. I think there is a fair chance that her DH might be missed from the track and trace list unless hospital have documented DH’s details which might not necessarily happen.

Absolutely horrified by number of posters who don’t understand risk of infection and need to be as careful as possible generally.

Definitely.

[Moondust001]

@ChairinSage

I hope you read this post back to yourself in 5 years time. Hopefully the human race will have recovered some amount of compassion and kindness.

I would hope so. But life has taught me that actually that many of them never had any compassion in the first place, and all it needed was a little pandemic to bring out the worst qualities and turn them into virtues. Never before had I so completely understood Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Bosnia and all the other places where neighbours turned against neighbours and families against each other...

[Doublefaced]

@Ostryga

No I’ve just learnt not to engage with incredibly nasty people!

Like I say.
Be sure of your facts before spouting them. Then you won’t be required to back track and people won’t have to call you on inaccuracies. It’s a very simple strategy.

[nocoolnamesleft]

Let's see. Everyone in this thread who knows what an AGP is, and knows compressions are an AGP, and knows the current resus guidelines thinks he should isolate. And everyone who knows diddly about any of that thinks he shouldn't. Hmm, wonder which group to listen to...

We had an AGP at work where one of the nurses had a failure of her PPE ( one strap broke on her FF3 mask, so it was no more use than a surgical mask). Instructions from infection control were that she had to isolate, even though the patient's COVID swab was negative.

[RootyT00t]

Omg YABVU!!

[Cheeseandwin5]

@blueberryporridge

Absolutely horrified by number of posters who don’t understand risk of infection and need to be as careful as possible generally.

What about when the kids go to school? How about if someone goes shopping, or a trip to outside? Anything contains risk and whilst some may seem more risky than others, you can catch the virus by touching a lamp post on an empty street and be safe helping a homeless person.
Where does one person unilateral decide who can enter the family home. Would the OP,s DH be within his rights to demand the the OP not come home should she pop to to Tescos? Or does the right of entry only come from one gender??
If you say they are different things, you are wrong, its just one persons view on what they feel should be within the boundaries, but the basic rule would cover all interactions and travel.
Not helping some one in need is the last thing we want our society to have.

[TonMoulin]

@oldegg123
Could you explain why being homeless makes that man high risk for covid??.

I mean if he was a nurse on a covid ward, I would agree with you. But why is being homeless a risk?

[TonMoulin]

@nocoolnamesleft

Let's see. Everyone in this thread who knows what an AGP is, and knows compressions are an AGP, and knows the current resus guidelines thinks he should isolate. And everyone who knows diddly about any of that thinks he shouldn't. Hmm, wonder which group to listen to...

We had an AGP at work where one of the nurses had a failure of her PPE ( one strap broke on her FF3 mask, so it was no more use than a surgical mask). Instructions from infection control were that she had to isolate, even though the patient's COVID swab was negative.

I’m surprised about that.

Why would she need to self isolate if the patient tested negative to covid?
Unless you are also saying that the tests aren’t reliable??

[oldegg123]

[quote TonMoulin]@oldegg123
Could you explain why being homeless makes that man high risk for covid??.

I mean if he was a nurse on a covid ward, I would agree with you. But why is being homeless a risk?[/quote]
I did give reasons of a previous post in this thread but again:

Being homeless is associated with quite a few factors that would increase risk of catching COVID: squatting in overcrowded housing, sheltering in doorways with others, not being able to practise hand hygiene/or use clean cloth masks, needing to access crowded refuge space and food banks, and of course intravenous drug use with non sterile needles. The homeless population are also likely to be immnocompromised due to malnutrition, cold exposure and drug/alcohol abuse, meaning if they did pick up, more likely to be infectious due to higher viral load.

It is absolutely freezing out and homeless people aren't happily camping in the nice fresh air. They're sadly having to live in overcrowded, squalid conditions, mixing with many people who are also high risk. This is why in the early stages of COVID the government tried to relocate the homeless to hotels.

[willloman]

YANBU - can he not isolate at home? He has definitely been in a high risk situation, unless he had PPE. Too many people being done in by kindness! I know of several old ladies who have not mentioned that they are still covid + to their neighbours/relatives who are 'popping by' to have a cuppa and drop off the groceries, newspaper, etc etc. You cannot tell by looking who has covid or not you need to act as if everyone has it. 10 days is not a long time in the greater scheme of things.

[toocold54]

DH is fine and has now said he is happy to isolate but feels bad for me as I will have our grandson

So the collapsed man had a mask on. Your DP had a mask and gloves on - the risk of transmission is low but he’s still going to isolate from his family and not go work/shopping/outside for 10 days.

OP it is great you are taking the virus so seriously but he was at no higher risk doing this than going into work/the supermarket/doctors surgery etc

[RootyT00t]

@SatishTheCat I have also RTFT and agree she is being unreasonable. Why is that outrageous?

[RootyT00t]

@nocoolnamesleft it is very different putting a nurse into isolation as procedure as isolating your own husband!