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Do you think giving birth in Belfast will become a thing post Brexit?

431 replies

Lalaloveyou2020 · 19/01/2021 12:01

Since 2005 a person born on the island of Ireland (including NI) to Irish or British parents has a right to apply for Irish citizenship/a passport. I read an article in the FT yesterday discussing the obstacles UK business travellers would face in a post Brexit word, which ended with this:

"There’s one group that will do well out of this: UK-based EU passport holders, who will be able to advertise themselves, both to British employers and to EU service buyers, as being able to travel unhindered around the bloc. Best-placed of all will be Irish passport holders, who can not only travel in the EU, but live and work freely in the UK too. Cecil Rhodes, the British mining magnate and colonialist, once described being English as “the greatest prize in the lottery of life”. Post-Brexit, it’s the Irish who hold the winning ticket."

If you really really wanted your child to have access to the EU in the future, would you be willing to move to Belfast for your birth so that your child could then claim an Irish Passport?

This is meant as a light-hearted discussion more than anything else, though if anyone from NI could chime in on how difficult it would actually be to do, please do so! Reason for going to Northern Ireland over the Republic is the access to the NHS and an automatic right to be both Irish and British at birth.

OP posts:
YouBoughtMeAWall · 19/01/2021 13:56

@ChikiTIKI

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth.
Example?
scubadub · 19/01/2021 13:57

@ChikiTIKI that's funny because I had two midwife left births at home here in Ireland... Confused

OwMyNeck · 19/01/2021 13:57

I wanted to give birth in NI, not the Republic, so that as well as being an Irish citizen, DD would have been a British citizen by birth as well as by descent. I believe that British citizens born abroad can’t always pass their British citizenship on to their own children. Also, I’m a UK taxpayer and don’t have health insurance in Ireland

Your child would have been automatically British if they were born in Ireland, and also entitled to be Irish as well. You wouldn't have needed health insurance in Ireland.

ArmsClary · 19/01/2021 13:57

@ChikiTIKI

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth.
Where would 'over there' be then? I'm guessing you're from neither, spouting that ignorant shit Hmm
YouBoughtMeAWall · 19/01/2021 13:58

@ChikiTIKI

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth.
My care was second to none. They gave me a stick to bite on and even removed the chains now and again so I could use the long drop.
OwMyNeck · 19/01/2021 13:58

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth

To where are you referring and who are you calling backwards? Hmm

Lalaloveyou2020 · 19/01/2021 13:59

@uthredswife it's already being manipulated by the likes of Sammy Wilson who urged his voters to apply for Irish passports. The same man who called Nationalists sub-human animals. I'm sure he's burned a tricolour in his day too.

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Cattenberg · 19/01/2021 14:00

I pay into the same NHS that you use, YouBoughtMeAWall.

I want my child to have the same opportunities I had, especially as the UK is going downhill fast. Brexit taught me that I can’t afford to care about people who couldn’t care less about me.

Fuckfuckfucked · 19/01/2021 14:01

Actually karma is a bitch won't be long before NHS ripped apart then we will see what's backwards I'm sure it's not the Republic trying to crawl back to 1950

Skippinginthesnow · 19/01/2021 14:01

I was born in NI......when I applied for passports for myself and DC I was astounded to discover that THEIR dc will also qualify for Irish citizenship.

JaneJeffer · 19/01/2021 14:02

@ChikiTIKI

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth.
I never said this to anyone on here before but FUCK OFF
YouBoughtMeAWall · 19/01/2021 14:03

I pay into the same NHS that you use, YouBoughtMeAWall.

Then what do you need to use mine for? If it’s all the same? (Hint: it’s not and you don’t) Use the one where you live.

ArmsClary · 19/01/2021 14:06

I wouldn't waste your breath trying to justify the amazing care we have here @YouBoughtMeAWall, the ignorance on this thread towards anyone from NI/ROI is fucking nauseating.

These threads always turn out the same way, people like you make excellent points and are completely blanked, then the thread will be zapped.

I've long since given up.

ButwhereisMYcoffee · 19/01/2021 14:06

Yes, yes it's absolutely shite over here, definitely don't come over and lie midst the straw and the drunken old woman mumbling in the corner pretending to be a 'midwife'. Arra sure and it's grateful we are to be having her at all, musha musha.

I just can't THINK why NI nationalists loathe the English.

Cattenberg · 19/01/2021 14:06

BlackBucketofCheese, I wish I’d done it so that DD would have citizenship of an EU country. That would have meant the world to me. If there was the option of buying an EU passport, legally for £10,000, I would done that instead of paying off my mortgage. As it happens, I do have Irish ancestry, but it’s not recent enough.

Cattenberg · 19/01/2021 14:08

Then what do you need to use mine for? If it’s all the same? (Hint: it’s not and you don’t) Use the one where you live.

You know why.

OchonAgusOchonO · 19/01/2021 14:10

[quote Lalaloveyou2020]**@BestWatcherInTheUnit* it's not about having access to "the best" it's having access to both! @OwMyNeck* the CTA between Ireland and UK still stands, right to live, work, access health care and yes pregnancy and birth are free in Ireland. Northern Ireland has the NHS though which is why it might be easier, also the baby is automatically British but entitled to Irish citizenship , so I assume registering for child benefit etc would be easier with an NI birth.[/quote]
also the baby is automatically British but entitled to Irish citizenship

This actually contravenes the good friday agreement (google the de Souza case) but hey, ho, we know how much store the british government put on international agreements.

Cocolapew · 19/01/2021 14:10

ChikiTIKI Do you think we all give birth in a fucking potato field or something? Twat.

luxxlisbon · 19/01/2021 14:11

@ChikiTIKI in what way is NI backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth?

OwMyNeck · 19/01/2021 14:11

This actually contravenes the good friday agreement (google the de Souza case) but hey, ho, we know how much store the british government put on international agreements

It doesn't, since the comment was about a child born in Ireland, not NI.

OwMyNeck · 19/01/2021 14:12

Or was it, maybe I'm mistaken. Mine was about that anyway!

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 14:13

@Cattenberg

BlackBucketofCheese, I wish I’d done it so that DD would have citizenship of an EU country. That would have meant the world to me. If there was the option of buying an EU passport, legally for £10,000, I would done that instead of paying off my mortgage. As it happens, I do have Irish ancestry, but it’s not recent enough.
That dozy women that spent £40,000 propping up her doomed business could have had 4 at that price ...
YouBoughtMeAWall · 19/01/2021 14:13

@ArmsClary

I wouldn't waste your breath trying to justify the amazing care we have here *@YouBoughtMeAWall*, the ignorance on this thread towards anyone from NI/ROI is fucking nauseating.

These threads always turn out the same way, people like you make excellent points and are completely blanked, then the thread will be zapped.

I've long since given up.

You’re right! It’s always the same on these threads!
Cattenberg · 19/01/2021 14:14

Your child would have been automatically British if they were born in Ireland, and also entitled to be Irish as well.

But British citizens by descent can only pass on their British citizenship to children born in the UK. British citizens by birth don’t have that restriction.

I admit I didn’t know that I wouldn’t have needed health insurance in Ireland. But as I don’t pay any tax in Ireland, wouldn’t that have been worse?

ArmsClary · 19/01/2021 14:14

@Cocolapew

ChikiTIKI Do you think we all give birth in a fucking potato field or something? Twat.
Grin

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