Do you think giving birth in Belfast will become a thing post Brexit?

[Lalaloveyou2020]

Since 2005 a person born on the island of Ireland (including NI) to Irish or British parents has a right to apply for Irish citizenship/a passport. I read an article in the FT yesterday discussing the obstacles UK business travellers would face in a post Brexit word, which ended with this:

"There’s one group that will do well out of this: UK-based EU passport holders, who will be able to advertise themselves, both to British employers and to EU service buyers, as being able to travel unhindered around the bloc. Best-placed of all will be Irish passport holders, who can not only travel in the EU, but live and work freely in the UK too. Cecil Rhodes, the British mining magnate and colonialist, once described being English as “the greatest prize in the lottery of life”. Post-Brexit, it’s the Irish who hold the winning ticket."

If you really really wanted your child to have access to the EU in the future, would you be willing to move to Belfast for your birth so that your child could then claim an Irish Passport?

This is meant as a light-hearted discussion more than anything else, though if anyone from NI could chime in on how difficult it would actually be to do, please do so! Reason for going to Northern Ireland over the Republic is the access to the NHS and an automatic right to be both Irish and British at birth.

That loop hole closed when 1000's of immigrants arrived heavily pregnant to the Republic of Ireland.
I'm sure there'll be some way for UK non NI residents to screw the system

Already granted. But you have to remember the Brexiteer mindset really doesn't care what foreigners (and that means anyone from Norther Ireland)

I voted Remain as it happens, and if you’d seen my posts from 2016/2017, you’d have seen that I did care about the impact of Brexit on Northern Ireland. But that concern is hardly mutual, is it?

[quote Lalaloveyou2020]@JustAnotherUserinParadise it's expected to happen in the ROI too,not just with British citizens but citizens of the EU who also would like an Irish Passport so their children can have the opportunity to live and work in the UK. If you are in Germany, Poland, France or anywhere with a relatively mobile job and are planning to have a baby it would be easy enough to decamp to Ireland for a year to six months to do it. I'm genuinely sorry for any upset caused but the situation between Ireland, NI and GB regarding citizenship is fairly unique and it wouldbe foolish to think that it won't be exploited by some in the future.[/quote]
If you are in Germany, Poland, France or anywhere with a relatively mobile job and are planning to have a baby it would be easy enough to decamp to Ireland for a year to six months to do it.

Maybe you should do a little fact checking regarding residency requirements before you start spouting nonsense?

@ButwhereisMYcoffee

Listen, seriously, for all those who were off on the day they did the ten minutes of Irish history - I am sitting here reading a book called A History of Ireland in 250 episodes.

I've only got to about 1250 and it is already a LITANY of 'and then King John/Henry/whoever used his bigger physical might to crush/kill/throw into a prison and starve to death a mother and child/starve/rout/burn/oppress.

Spoiler: it's not going to get any better for the next 750 years.

Even without the bloodshed and pillage and oppression, not to mention the scurrilous painting of the Irish as a drunken, aggressive, incontinent boor who thus NEEDED to be ruled for their own benefit (oh, and who by? what a massive convenient coincidence, the English)... there is a massive FAMINE English people like to studiously ignore, a home secretary blithely chatting about cutting off food to the island to intimidate them into obedience, and currently empty shelves in the shops of NI because a Brexit we didn't vote for has ended in us being completely shafted in terms of supply chains, bollocksed up customs regulations etc.

So to come on in a time like this, when our HSC is chronically underfunded, where our survival and recovery rates from various diseases is lower than the rest of the UK and then casually say 'oh yes, I have zero interest in all of that, you know, icky blood and territory stuff, but with the GREATEST OF IRONY, after my country DENIED YOU YOUR NATIONALITY FOR DECADES, I'm just going to RUTHLESSLY, CARELESSLY AND THOUGHTLESSLY exploit it for my own selfish benefit, do NOT expect people to be like, oh yeah wow yay, come on!

I'm not even from a nationalist background and I have the rage.

A great deal of the 'English' people you are lumping together into one category are descended from Irish families that went through that history side by side with your families in Ireland.

Plenty of us English have experienced the impact of trauma handed down over generations from the famine and then being the poorest of poor in England for generations.

Plenty of us also know and understand the history because of that.

I hope Brexit makes GB look ridiculous

Lol. You hope?

You might consider yourself British but I can guarantee no one else does
You can't. If the poster is from NI and considers themselves British. so does their family, friends, their wider community, oh and their government!!

@Emeraldshamrock no it hasn't. The change in 2005 to the right to citizenship was to stop asylum seekers arriving pregnant. Anyone born in ROI is entitled to Irish citizenship if:

One (or both) of your parents was entitled to live in Ireland or Northern Ireland without any restriction on his or her period of residency

Which would be the whole of the EU.

@OwMyNeck

*It's almost as though it gets people angry when their country is invaded by a foreign power and then the people of that foreign power start a discussion about using and abusing what little resources the country has as they struggle with the aftermath of decades of civil war.

That's a bit simplistic, especially when that "foreign power" is actually the same country, and at least half of the "invaded" choose to align themselves by identifying as that "foreign power". NI is part of the UK, you can't really call other people in the UK "people of a foreign power" and leave it at that.

Well I meant England, really.

you obviously have no idea what life is like in north korea so that comment is daft.

If you know what life is like in North Korea, you can have no idea what the rest of the world thinks of North Korea. So your comment is daft.

But thank you for engaging anyway.

Maybe you should do a little fact checking regarding residency requirements before you start spouting nonsense?

Erm, I'd be careful if I were you. There are no residency requirements for EU citizens for the first 3 months, and after that there as some small ones but they are not enforced in Ireland.
So not nonsense in the slightest.

Well I meant England, really

Well, it still doesn't work even if you meant England.

@OchonAgusOchonO I have no idea what you're talking about. Poland France and Germany are in the EU and have the right to live and work in the Republic of Ireland. ROI is still in the EU. Being a smarty pants only works when what you say is intelligent.

My children are all entitled to Irish passports and I will probably get them one before they hit 18 just to keep all options open.
Wouldn’t travel to birth though.

I'm furious with my parents, their own Irish parents would be utterly perplexed why they would vote for anything that would disrupt peace in Ireland and the rise of terrorism.

I adore my mil but can't talk to her about Brexit. She's from Fermanagh, her father was killed in the troubles and she voted...for it.

@OwMyNeck

*It's almost as though it gets people angry when their country is invaded by a foreign power and then the people of that foreign power start a discussion about using and abusing what little resources the country has as they struggle with the aftermath of decades of civil war.

That's a bit simplistic, especially when that "foreign power" is actually the same country, and at least half of the "invaded" choose to align themselves by identifying as that "foreign power". NI is part of the UK, you can't really call other people in the UK "people of a foreign power" and leave it at that.

The foreign power is only the same country because they have retained control of part of the country originally invaded, despite a huge majority of the invaded country being in favour of self determination. The only reason half the retained "country" align themselves by identifying with the foreign power was because of the placement of an artificial border that maximised land retained whilst also ensuring a population profile that ensured power stayed with the elite who were aligned with the foreign power.

@ButwhereisMYcoffee

Yes, yes it's absolutely shite over here, definitely don't come over and lie midst the straw and the drunken old woman mumbling in the corner pretending to be a 'midwife'. Arra sure and it's grateful we are to be having her at all, musha musha.

I just can't THINK why NI nationalists loathe the English.

Well said. Anti Irish sentiments on Mumsnet while they would fall over themselves to dance around every other group....never seen that before.

If you are in Germany, Poland, France or anywhere with a relatively mobile job and are planning to have a baby it would be easy enough to decamp to Ireland for a year to six months to do it.

Moving abroad for a year just to (maybe) give your child the chance to have a passport which would enable them to live in a country they may or may not want to live in a couple of decades down the road, by which time circumstances could be completely different, dosn't sound 'easy' to me. It sounds quite extreme.

I just can't THINK why NI nationalists loathe the English

Again...

A massive amount of English people come from the families who had to leave Ireland to escape the famine (or genocide).

Even those that don't - if they were working class, they weren't involved and didn't exactly reap the benefits either.

I think you need to save your loathing for the English ruling class TBH.

Marmunia1975

I'm from NI (consider myself British!) and still live there. I have an Irish passport just because I can!

You might consider yourself British but I can guarantee no one else does
They definitely would consider the poster British up north the protestant community are more British than the Queen with their flegs and their clothing.
Which makes in even more annoying how much they hate fenians with a passion but happily bin their little blue book.
Dying to see if Arlene bins her blue or opts for an EU passport.

I said I hope Brexit makes GB look ridiculous

I should have expanded that, Iook ridiculous in a way that the vast number of underinformed/overconfident/plain stupid voters can not fail to notice and cannot excuse or blame others for.

Covid is a complete pain, it will allow politicians and supporters to get themselves off the hook for the stupidity of Brexit.

I'm so angry about risking the fragile peace for jingoistic nonsense.

@Lalaloveyou2020 I get it but you need habitual residence you can't arrive from London to Ireland to give birth to an Irish citizen.

Moving abroad for a year just to (maybe) give your child the chance to have a passport which would enable them to live in a country they may or may not want to live in a couple of decades down the road, by which time circumstances could be completely different, dosn't sound 'easy' to me. It sounds quite extreme

Yes, especially if that country is the UK. Who would bother, frankly?

@Lalaloveyou2020 I get it but you need habitual residence you can't arrive from London to Ireland to give birth to an Irish citizen

You can. You could arrive and do it the same day, no habitual residence necessary (if you are a British citizen)

@TheFaithfulBorderBinliner

I completely agree with you but mostly came on to say I love your user name. Black Bag was always my favourite strip in Viz!