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Biden our time until Inauguration Day! (Trump #121) 🙂🕊

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Roussette · 15/01/2021 16:01

Previous thread...
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borntobequiet · 16/01/2021 11:23

I always thought evangelist meant someone who actively tries to convert others, whether by preaching, demonstrative good works or whatever and read it in that light. I suppose it’s opposite is contemplative.
The authors of the Gospels are known as the four Evangelists.

BruceAndNosh · 16/01/2021 11:25

One reason it is so impossible to compare US and UK politics and parties is because of the major issues of abortion and gun control in US. And despite the "separation of Church and State", US has much higher % of self proclaimed Christians

Mittens030869 · 16/01/2021 11:43

@borntobequiet

'Evangelist' has always had a different meaning from 'Evangelical' in Christian circles. It's a term used for someone who has a vocation for preaching the Gospel and calling for them to believe the Gospel.

And yes, that's the term which denotes the Gospel writers.

'Evangelical' denotes belief that the Bible is the Word of God. It isn't a denomination; there's an evangelical wing of the CofE as well as a more traditional wing.

This distinction dates back to the Reformation, when the Reformers broke away from the RC Church and the belief that Church tradition was equally important.

Roussette · 16/01/2021 11:43

Would love to have a dart board - but would probably prefer one of the Richard Osman ones (his House of Games show on BBC2 weeknights - very entertaining!)

We've been watching it, I just can't bear the News at the moment, so depressing... I want a Richard Osman Ken doll !!

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ginandronicformeplease · 16/01/2021 11:59

@borntobequiet

One thing that is true in the US, and now in the UK, is that there is no real party of the workers

I think the US concept of “middle-class” is different from ours as well.

When I first met DH's elderly uncle, he told me that any working class man (yes, just men apparently!) who voted anything other than Labour were betraying their class. A few years later, Jeremy Corbyn was leader, he said much the same and I asked how Corbyn exactly represented the working class, but no answer.

Fast forward to 2019, and he's so disillusioned by Labour that he (and most of his friends, all former miners, steel workers etc) vote Conservative for the first time in their lives. Meanwhile, my very middle class millennial cousins are spouting that Corbyn is the saviour of the people Hmm

Somehow, the Conservatives managed to do exactly the same as the Republicans did in the US: convince working class men that they were the ones who would be best for them. Likewise, Labour picked up the young middle class votes.

(Meanwhile, more middle aged left wing feminists such as myself were left with no one to vote for after being told the Labour Party, Lib Dems and Greens didn't want our votes, but that's a discussion for the FWR board.)

I lurk but rarely post, but wanted to give my anecdata about the US-UK political equivalence. Obviously my anecdata is as valid as that observed by cycling's friends.

DGRossetti · 16/01/2021 12:17

I tried to understand the US primaries system, but it seems to vary a lot from state to state.

Shame the brief (Tory) experiment with primaries in the UK didn't catch on. Although given the ring through the nose politics of the electorate, probably for the best.

If you wanted a bangs for buck/low hanging fruit shift in UK politics, it's probably one of the contenders. It might have dramatically affected the course of Brexit - if not Brexit itself.

Roussette · 16/01/2021 12:30

ginandronic interesting post.

merrymouse that link on how McConnell could scupper Trump's plans for 2024 is very interesting, it's not actually impossible that the Repubs won't vote for the impeachment in the Senate. McC is only a few off the number needed but he's not stating his own intentions yet.

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DGRossetti · 16/01/2021 12:45

@Roussette

ginandronic interesting post.

merrymouse that link on how McConnell could scupper Trump's plans for 2024 is very interesting, it's not actually impossible that the Repubs won't vote for the impeachment in the Senate. McC is only a few off the number needed but he's not stating his own intentions yet.

Especially if a few Republican senators decide to play golf rather than vote.

However a successful conviction will got to SCOTUS. And that's uncharted territory which makes McConnells actions less certain. A Trump winning in SCOTUS and overturning the conviction (thus making him eligible for office) could result in a renewed and reinvigorated Trump that would be the only 2024 Republican candidate for POTUS.

And I get the feeling McConnell hasn't got where he is by ignoring freak chances.

If preventing Trump running in 2024 is the name of the game, then skinning cats springs to mind. It might be much easier to locate evidence or witnesses for the NYC cases that are supposed to be upcoming.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/01/2021 12:49

Furries
But in the UK it would typically be the ordinary man would support Labour and the rich gits support conservative

You'd think so. But when I was going door to door during the most recent General Election, it was the people in housing estates with old cars up on bricks ion the front garden who told me to go away, they would never vote Labour, while those in detached houses with more than one BMW in the drive asked me to let them have copies of the leaflet and talk to them about our candidate, for whom they planned to vote.

I ended up feeling that Labour lost because this is not a rich man's area.

lionheart · 16/01/2021 12:51

Talking of Medieval.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55679623

cyclingmad · 16/01/2021 13:01

[quote Roussette]I mean I only call out the BS and obvious hypocrisy of some posters thats all, like the fake news about Trump laughing whilst people stormed the capital, some of you happily commenting about it but it was fake news lollll where are you now to admit it wasn't true

I was one who posted the vid originally. I wrongly thought it was as the Capitol was being stormed. Within minutes I retracted that statement (look back if you can be arsed).
However to call a rally inciting violence whilst the President Elect was being certificated and urging the thousands to 'be strong, go to the Capitol, fight it' was abominable. It was a fair election that had been judged so by many outside bodies.

I will link again to this which I doubt you have read. The incitement to insurrection.

Drop the federal exection thing, you are losing on that one by the way.

twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1347908845281095680[/quote]
Its not about winning or losing an argument that is quite childlike.

You docknow back in 18000s the Democraf President Cleveland executed 14 people during his term.

So my point that its bothering Dens and Republicans who excuse people is still valid. And before you say well thats too long ago, you can't erase history.

And let's see, Biden himself was a supported of the death penalty and eexcutions himself for 30 years and under Obama pushed through a the 1994 crimes act, which widen the reasons for death penalty to include 60 more. And infact since he did that 4 of those executed under Trump were because they were handed death penalty due the changes bought in by that 1994 crime act.

He might have changed his stance now but he has blood on his hands too.

You might want to look the other way and no doubt you will come back to excuse Biden but least I'm willing to look at all of this and see that neither side is good. They are as bad as each other.

www.vox.com/2019/7/26/8931612/joe-biden-death-penalty-tough-on-crime

cyclingmad · 16/01/2021 13:02

Typos! It should say back in the 1800's*

DuncinToffee · 16/01/2021 13:23

So you are supporting the death penalty then cyclingmad?

merrymouse · 16/01/2021 13:26

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/533403-sasse-says-trump-was-delighted-and-excited-by-reports-of-capitol-riot%3famp

Ben Sasse, a Republican senator, said Trump was excited and delighted by scenes at the Capitol.

DGRossetti · 16/01/2021 13:27

@merrymouse

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/533403-sasse-says-trump-was-delighted-and-excited-by-reports-of-capitol-riot%3famp

Ben Sasse, a Republican senator, said Trump was excited and delighted by scenes at the Capitol.

(credit Lucy Porter)

Well at his age, it's good to have an insurrection.

DuncinToffee · 16/01/2021 13:29

DGR Grin

Roussette · 16/01/2021 13:30

cycling We've been talking about federal executions. And the number Trump has done.

Biden isn't perfect, no politician is, never said he was. But he will be a hell of a better President than Trump in my opinion. I'm talking about recent history and not the 1800's.
When you say 'they are both as bad as each other'... NO. Biden isn't perfect as I say, but at least he isn't Trump.
I want to go back to the time when Breaking News was that George Bush didn't like brocolli and Obama put dijon mustard on his burger Grin

Really not sure, what you want from this thread cycling. We all want to discuss, but you want to nitpick, cajole and try and put words in posters' mouths.

Find my post where I said Biden was perfect.

Have you read the twitter feed I linked yet? If so... comments?

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PerkingFaintly · 16/01/2021 13:40

This is why more right-wing parties are obsessed with identity politics – but only the right sort of identity politics.

Groups which want to hoard resources, as a PP described, have no intention of doing anything which involves sharing those resources with people further down the economic pile (except where sharing might mean the rising tide lifts their own boat too, and even then they often won't take that chance).

So they have literally nothing to offer economically poorer voters except jingoism and identity politics.

Of course, mostly they don't refer to their actions as "identity politics".* That's generally a term for anyone who has the temerity to suggest police violence against black people has a racist element; or women are being disadvantaged by designers using male bodies as the default in car design.

Having dedicatedly pursued dogwhistle identity politics, these parties then come out with, "Ordinary People™ are bored with the left's obsession with identity politics and will vote for us instead."

So, two bites at the cherry.

I've seen this a lot with Fox commentators (when I can steel myself to peek into Fox). Dogwhistle after spurious smear after dogwhistle... but as soon as someone names what they're doing, the talking heads gasp and yell, "You said "black"! You racist, you!"

(*The exception to this are the overt racists of the Generation Identity movement. Despite the explicit name, Generation Identity are mysteriously missing from all discussions of how "the people are fed up with identity politics." It's an interesting blind spot, that makes me wonder who is initiating the claim that the right-wing offers an escape from identity politics. Obviously things do get facilely repeated as truisms, so it's not the mere repeaters I'm primarily interested in.)

knittingaddict · 16/01/2021 13:41

@DuncinToffee

I am against the death penalty full stop
Me too.
merrymouse · 16/01/2021 13:41

And before you say well thats too long ago, you can't erase history.

You don’t have to know much about US history to know that the Democrats have changed quite a bit since the civil war.

It’s also a bit odd to argue about positions that a party has taken previously. Political parties often change policies as membership and public attitudes change. It is their nature to reflect the electorate.

knittingaddict · 16/01/2021 13:50

@RedToothBrush

Omg. The MyPillow Guy Story is INSANE!

This relates to the photo taken by a Washington Post photographer of a man holding a document which could partially be read.

So basically a Pillow Salesman who has been putting stuff on Facebook about how Trump will remain President went to meet Trump today with a document (apparently from a mysterious unnamed lawyer) detailing a 5th Column Attack involving invoking the Insurrection Act and Martial Law if necessary whilst blaming Iran and China for inferring in the election on behalf of Biden.

The NYT has since spoken to the MyPillow guy who says it definitely didn't say martial law (a white house insider says it definitely did and my eyesight isnt that bad) and that trump definitely wasn't interested.

Which still begs the question

Why the fuck was trump meeting with the pillow sales guy? Does he normally personally meet door to door sales? Or just ones carrying notes from mystery lawyers with coup d'etat plans?

Its 3am uk time and im left wondering what the actual fuck ive been reading in the Washington post and on twitter.

The My Pillow guy is a frequent attender of White House events with Trump. He is well known as an avid Trump supporter and I imagine they are close friends (if Trump can be said to have friends).
Anniegetyourgun · 16/01/2021 13:50

That prosperity gospel thing is, like, totally the opposite of what's written in the Bible. Talk of ignoring facts... not to say what's written in the Bible is factual in itself (!), but the fact that it is written in there is indisputable (bar a few translation tweaks) and that's what they are supposed to believe in. They talk about Jesus; ain't that the fellow who told a rich man that he could not be saved unless he sold everything and donated to the poor? Who was given a small basket of food and shared it with the whole crowd instead of hogging it for himself and his mates? Who said it's easier for a camel to... oh, you know. All that. And the forgiving. He was big on forgiving. And how your neighbour might be the despised minority instead of People Like Us. He even advised to pay your taxes!

Anyway, I had a theory about Lindsay Graham which is the only way what he does makes any sense at all. He's twins! One of them even has a slightly plumper, smoother face while the other is beginning to look a little haggard. I'm not sure which is the evil twin or whether they both are, mind you.

More seriously, I think when he made his speech about having had it with Trump, he may have meant it at the time, but then somebody crooked their finger and reminded him about The Secret, and forced him to go on the Alamo trip as a kind of statement. There may or may not also be mind-altering substances involved.

ArrrMeHearties · 16/01/2021 13:59

Found you all again phew! And I know I shared this on the last thread but its too good not to share again 🤣🤣

Biden our time until Inauguration Day!  (Trump #121) 🙂🕊
Roussette · 16/01/2021 14:01
Grin Totally agree on Lindsay Graham. Talk about about turn. No idea why 😂
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