To think a "breathing" sex robot should be illegal

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Apparently there is an AI sex robot that now has the feature of breathing (there's a video in the article in the link).

I don't really care how these ultra realistic sex dolls might help people for various reasons. I think in a world where men overwhelming treat women as unfeeling objects (yeah okay NAMALT), further blurring the lines between womens bodies and inanimate objects you can do what you want to is dangerous.

I think they should be illegal.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/sex-robot-breathes-incredible-ai-23275331

@wellthatsunusual
Its really not your business to be concerned about sex toys or fetishes between consenting adults. It’s a very conservative and prudish outlook on sex imho.

I would not care at all. Having a fetish doesn’t make you into a child abuser or rapist.

No one said it does. But public servants are usually held to higher standards. It may not Mark you as a pedophile, but it does mark you as dark and odd.
I certainly would be alerted to any adult with permissive views on extreme sexual behaviour, as they may draw their lines in a very different place than a normal person.

The only person I know with a fetish is an abuser so maybe I am influenced by that.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

They all look so young too. Vom.

Thats what I find disturbing

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@wellthatsunusual
Its really not your business to be concerned about sex toys or fetishes between consenting adults. It’s a very conservative and prudish outlook on sex imho.[/quote]
I never said anything about using sex toys. Sex dolls on the other hand...

And as for fetishes, sometimes they can be harmful, as in the old court case where men were considered to have carried out assaults on each other even though they consented to it. Or the case in Germany where a man killed another man with his consent, and ate parts of him. The law prevents people from consenting to things that harm them. Unless of course they are women.

It's interesting that you expressed disappointment that no one was concerned about BDSM and then when I said that actually in some situations I am concerned about that, suddenly that was a fault too.

Really it's not your business to tell me what I can or can't be concerned about.

But public servants are usually held to higher standards.

Are they really? I mean Boris Johnson has how many children by how many women? How many public servants also have extra marital affairs?(a lot). Are you saying not a single female MP or public servant owns a vibrator? Or pair of fur lined handcuffs?
I don’t know of any sexual purity standards for public servants.

I never said anything about using sex toys. Sex dolls on the other hand...

? Sex dolls are in fact a type of sex toy. What else would they be if not a toy?

Really it's not your business to tell me what I can or can't be concerned about.

I did not say you could not be concerned, merely that to me having such concern indicates a conservative and prudish outlook on sex.

Or the case in Germany where a man killed another man with his consent, and ate parts of him

That’s not a sexual fetish. That’s illegal euthanasia and cannibalism.

The law prevents people from consenting to things that harm them. Unless of course they are women.

Completely not true. Men and women can consent to being volunteers in clinical trials of medication with risk or harm, injury or death. Men and women consent to being test pilots and drivers, with risk of harm, injury and death. Men and women consent to being firefighters, police officers, and soldiers with risk of harm, injury or death. By not having an abortion, every woman consents to the risk of harm, injury and death of childbirth.

@PlanDeRaccordement

The law prevents people from consenting to things that harm them. Unless of course they are women.

Completely not true. Men and women can consent to being volunteers in clinical trials of medication with risk or harm, injury or death. Men and women consent to being test pilots and drivers, with risk of harm, injury and death. Men and women consent to being firefighters, police officers, and soldiers with risk of harm, injury or death. By not having an abortion, every woman consents to the risk of harm, injury and death of childbirth.

That's not quite what I meant and you know it. I was referring to the well known court case with the men injuring each other for sexual kicks.

And the cannibalism case was considered to have been for sexual gratification.

If not wanting people to be deliberately harmed by their sex life makes me a prude, so be it. It's not what I'd consider prudish, more like basic decency and common sense, but if you don't value people's safety then I can't change your mind.

Sorry I meant public servants with actual positions of responsibility, not crooked politicians.
In all seriousness though MPs don't get a free pass, there are lots of scandals. I seem to remember a Little Britain sketch being based on it.

And you know we are not talking about handcuffs or vibes and you know it.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7429526/

It's only one study, granted (there don't seem to be many), but this is an interesting observation from the above research:

"it is important to stress that there is currently no empirical evidence that doll ownership translates into elevated levels of sexual objectification, either of dolls as objects themselves or of real women. Indeed, applying data from media effects research in related areas would suggest that concerns about the transferability of violence from various forms of mass media to personal behavior might be misplaced. Recent analyses of the effects of playing violent video games and, more relevant to the sex dolls and robots, the viewing of pornography, suggest that engaging with these media has little effect on behaviors in the real world among those with no pre-existing aggressive propensities. More than this, the evidence for the effects of pornography appear to show a potentially cathartic effect, where societies that have higher rates of pornography use demonstrate lower rates of sexual violence."

So, use of sex dolls would seem unlikely to raise the risk of sexual violence among men, unless they are naturally predisposed towards aggression / sexual violence in the first place (in which case they are likely to commit offences against women irrespective of use of sexual toys). Interestingly, there is also a suggestion that use of pornography can have a cathartic "outlet" effect, lowering rates of sexual violence.

https://res.mdpi.com/dattachment/robotics/robotics-07-00062/articlee_deploy/robotics-07-00062.pdf

"Our results support earlier but limited findings illustrating that companionship and alleviation of loneliness are often more important functions of these sex dolls, at least as reflected among users of online forums, mitigating the dire warnings of those who are pessimistic about the future of sexbot use."

This is also an interesting one! Their findings were that many men kept sex dolls for companionship and emotional intimacy reasons, as opposed to purely a sexual function. I wonder whether the breathing function of 'sex robots' links to that - in terms of creating more lifelike imitations of women so men such as those in this article feel more emotionally connected... ? Interesting findings, nonetheless.

owning one of these would be a good indicator of a probably sick, abusive man.

Not according to the research below. It's in fact more likely to be an indicator of a man who is "a bit of a loner", or socially awkward, who craves the emotional and sexual intimacy of a real life relationship but struggles to connect with "real life" women.

It's a moot point.
I don't think many men who are buying sex dolls are going to be participating in the regular sexual marketplace.
There's no evidence for porn causing increased incidence of rape (if anything it suggest the reverse), I imagine results will be similar for sex dolls if they're ever common enough to get a good sample.

I'm sure I've seen this description before...

"** "a bit of a loner", or socially awkward, who craves the emotional and sexual intimacy of a real life relationship but struggles to connect with "real life" women."

Hmmm where could it be?

Oh yes, every murderer ever.

@TheBuffster

I'm sure I've seen this description before...

"** "a bit of a loner", or socially awkward, who craves the emotional and sexual intimacy of a real life relationship but struggles to connect with "real life" women."

Hmmm where could it be?

Oh yes, every murderer ever.

🤦🏼‍♀️That is the most hilarious sweeping generalisation. Google autistic spectrum disorder. All murderers, are they?

@TheBuffster

Also.

Just because social awkwardness might be present in the profiles of some people who kill - it will be present alongside psychopathic murderous tendencies and/or aggressive impulses. It is the latter traits that lead to the act of murder- not the social awkwardness ffs.
Therefore while it may be a character trait of some people who murder - it's not the cause of the act of murder itself.

It is therefore entirely possible to be a socially awkward individual (autism being the obvious example that springs to mind), without psychopathically butchering people.

I can't believe I had to explain that tbh.

Not my kinda thing but each to their own, I wouldn’t have ever given it enough thought to consider whether they should be “illegal” or not. More something I’d just laugh at and and consider it to be one for the weirdos..

@DedlyMedally

It's a moot point. I don't think many men who are buying sex dolls are going to be participating in the regular sexual marketplace. There's no evidence for porn causing increased incidence of rape (if anything it suggest the reverse), I imagine results will be similar for sex dolls if they're ever common enough to get a good sample.

There might not be any proof that porn causes more rapes but I'd bet my bottom dollar that it causes fewer convictions. A generation ago a jury would have found it hard to believe that a woman would consent to having sex with multiple men at once, or consent to violence, but now it seems that it's an accepted defence, to the point of not even getting to court in the first place.

@TheBuffster

While we're at it... Google Ted Bundy.

He raped and murdered numerous women. He was assessed by experts as displaying psychopathic traits, a key one of which is a high level of (fake) outward social charm and charisma. Basically the complete opposite of socially awkward. He used this charisma and social charm to lure women to their deaths.

Still think "every murderer ever" is socially awkward? Or are some highly socially skilled psychopaths? 🤔

There might not be any proof that porn causes more rapes but I'd bet my bottom dollar that it causes fewer convictions.

What does this mean? Porn causes fewer rape convictions?

So your one charismatic murderer trumps criminal profiling then?

I am aware what autism is. I wouldn't be so insulting to imply that autistic people can only find love with a doll.

I still think that as Frigid Farrah and other posts have shown, the people buying these dolls have much darker tastes than you'd like to paint them.

Well, Lou, I can't believe I'm having to explain to a grown woman that people that buy sex dolls might be a bit a teensy bit problematic and certainly the phenomenon needs looking into.

But here we are.

*I would not care at all. Having a fetish doesn’t make you into a child abuser or rapist.

No one said it does*

Interesting that you make this (spot on) assertion that having a sexual fetish does not equal sex offender. Yet, you hold the view that being socially awkward and struggling with intimate relationships equals murderer.

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