To think a "breathing" sex robot should be illegal

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Apparently there is an AI sex robot that now has the feature of breathing (there's a video in the article in the link).

I don't really care how these ultra realistic sex dolls might help people for various reasons. I think in a world where men overwhelming treat women as unfeeling objects (yeah okay NAMALT), further blurring the lines between womens bodies and inanimate objects you can do what you want to is dangerous.

I think they should be illegal.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/sex-robot-breathes-incredible-ai-23275331

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions. We should instead of asking why they exist, what can we do to combat the need for them?
Is it loneliness? Why does this loneliness occur? Is it beyond our human scope to provide ways for people to meet. As someone with a disabled son I find it heartbreaking that people think that's a good enough companion for disabled people.
Is it more sinister? Why does this mindset occur? Surely yet more reason to dismantle the patriarchy.

At best these are a sticking plaster for the shortcomings of society.
At worse they are a stepping stone.

But the point of these dolls is a woman to do what you want with, whether that’s illegal or not, and no one can stop you

So thank God they are doing it to a doll then, because some poor woman somewhere has been saved from a man who enjoys rape, in that case.

@PicsInRed

Is it cynical of me to presume it needs to breathe so it can be suffocated?

They should be so illegal prison time is involved.

That's absolutely what it's for.

@PicsInRed

Is it cynical of me to presume it needs to breathe so it can be suffocated?

They should be so illegal prison time is involved.

Prison??? What for?

Any child that tortures a barbie should be put in Juvenile DETENTION

Look, women are treated as objects. The fact that they are bought and sold and raped and leered at ajd harassed is proof of that. Sex dolls are just another symptom of that. Its not us that's objectificfying women. Sex dolls just make it ok. It shows what men realky think of us.Little more than a pair of tits and a fuck hole. And we are supoosed to now he grateful that they ensure they aren't at that moment actual touching a real one?

Look I know patriarchy has conditioned us to think women are objects, but seriously, you can only seriously think objects are women if you agree that women are objects

Totally agree. Objectification is vile, can we not do it to ourselves please?

Also I don't agree that it's necessarily protecting women from bad men, I've always felt that the more you indulge a predatory appetite, the more this perpetuates a greater need to satisfy it. This is why I worry that if men who are inclined to be violent to their sex doll are more likely to be violent toward real women they have sex with, because they have developed those tastes further. There might not be a statistical/studied equivalent with dolls specifically, but isn't it know in psychology that predators often do start smaller and escalate, and often start acting on fantasies that they can't contain anymore?

Idk. Obviously it doesn't matter as nothing I say or feel will change whether these are legal or not and to be fair I'm sure they are super niche objects and I definitely can't be sure of the line of thinking behind men who purchase them. But I would be well wary of any man who owned something like that

@PearlescentIridescent
The point is that they are a proxy for a woman who can't say no. We are the ones objecting to the blurring of lines between women as figurative and literal objects, not creating them.

You’re talking like there are two categories of women: figurative objects and literal objects. But women are neither because we are not objects. A sex doll no matter how realistic can never be a woman. There is no line that can be blurred or crossed between sex doll and woman, anymore than between male sex doll and man. They’re fundamentally different.

Seriously?! Why on earth would any normal country make a law banning sex dolls?

Yes, they are very weird but if you don’t want one (like 99.9% of people) just don’t get one.

**A sex doll in a house is going to display more red flags than a Chairman Mao convention to the average woman."

Even Bluebeard kept the skeletons locked in a cupboard, I doubt a guy bringing back his tinder date is going to just leave it lying around.

Imagine doing a work zoom and seeing one in the background 😂

@Whatwouldscullydo

Look, women are treated as objects. The fact that they are bought and sold and raped and leered at ajd harassed is proof of that. Sex dolls are just another symptom of that. Its not us that's objectificfying women. Sex dolls just make it ok. It shows what men realky think of us.Little more than a pair of tits and a fuck hole. And we are supoosed to now he grateful that they ensure they aren't at that moment actual touching a real one?

If the men involved think we are nothing more than holes and tits, they thought they BEFORE they bought the doll. Otherwise there is no way they would buy one. Anyone who sees women as more than objects KNOWS that sex dolls are shite and a poor imitation, and wouldn't be seen dead with one.

Its not about being "grateful" that they aren't touching a real woman at that time. It's about the fact that men who treat women as objects are not men that most women want to be with. So they have done women a favour by both flagging their abhorrent views AND getting an outlet which doesn't involve us.

isn't it know in psychology that predators often do start smaller and escalate, and often start acting on fantasies that they can't contain anymore?

Yes but never with objects. Only with living creatures like small animals, younger siblings, etc

@PlanDeRaccordement To clarify - I was referring to the perception of women as objects and responding to a poster who said please don't objectify women by comparing them to the dolls which are actual objects.

But we already are treated as objects by many.

@PlanDeRaccordement I disagree there re objects. I was thinking more along the lines of devious acts escalating that are never de-escalated by their indulgence. E.g. Ted Bundy started as a peeping tom. Ended up a serial murderer. Obviously that is the super extreme end of the spectrum.

predators often do start smaller and escalate, and often start acting on fantasies that they can't contain anymore?

Which is why anything which acts as another buffer between fantasy and acting out with a real woman, protects women for longer.

Unless you think predators wouldn't have become predators without the "gateway experience" of a sex doll? The rape statistics strongly suggest otherwise.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Look, women are treated as objects. The fact that they are bought and sold and raped and leered at ajd harassed is proof of that. Sex dolls are just another symptom of that. Its not us that's objectificfying women. Sex dolls just make it ok. It shows what men realky think of us.Little more than a pair of tits and a fuck hole. And we are supoosed to now he grateful that they ensure they aren't at that moment actual touching a real one?

I do not deny that women are treated as objects and objectified.

But no, sex dolls are not a symptom of objectifying women. It’s the exact opposite, it is treating an actual object as an object. Sex dolls don’t make objectifying women ok, that is ludicrous. The existence of sex dolls actually highlights...this is an object, but a real woman is not an object.

And if you think that sex dolls mean men think we are just tits and a fuck hole, then the existence of dildos mean that women think men are just a big cock.

"Yes but never with objects. Only with living creatures like small animals, younger siblings, etc"

Actually sexual behaviour with toys is a safeguarding red flag.

@TheBuffster

@PlanDeRaccordement

isn't it know in psychology that predators often do start smaller and escalate, and often start acting on fantasies that they can't contain anymore?

Yes but never with objects. Only with living creatures like small animals, younger siblings, etc

I'm not sure that's true. Don't domestic violence charities warn that behaviour like smashing things up and punching the wall can be warning signs of future violence?

Don’t really see it as any different to the fuck machines that have been on sale for aaaaaaages.

@TheBuffster Shit! The grin was about your zoom comment, not about the safeguarding one. Talk about unfortunate cross posting!

[quote PearlescentIridescent]@PlanDeRaccordement I disagree there re objects. I was thinking more along the lines of devious acts escalating that are never de-escalated by their indulgence. E.g. Ted Bundy started as a peeping tom. Ended up a serial murderer. Obviously that is the super extreme end of the spectrum.[/quote]
Yes Ted Buddy started as a peeping Tom. Peeping at actual real live women. Not objects. There is not one recorded case of any predator starting out with objects and then escalating. It always starts out with deviant behaviour towards other living beings.

Otherwise we should ban dildos because it’s predator women fantasising about cutting off a man’s penis and then using it without his consent for her sexual pleasure. What if she escalates from using a dildo and attacks men?

Yes but never with objects. Only with living creatures like small animals, younger siblings

Then explain the Jessica rabbit fantasy.

Men dress up as us , they have entire shows dedicated to just that.

They wanted over game/cartoon characters . Jessica rabbit, Lara croft, hell check out many a cartoon where its all tits and tiny waist. Women do not need to exist in a human form to be part of the male fantasy world.

@wellthatsunusual
I'm not sure that's true. Don't domestic violence charities warn that behaviour like smashing things up and punching the wall can be warning signs of future violence?

What I said was true in the context of the conversation about sexual predators/serial killers which is what the psychology reference was to. If you want to talk domestic violence that is completely different subject.