To think a "breathing" sex robot should be illegal

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Apparently there is an AI sex robot that now has the feature of breathing (there's a video in the article in the link).

I don't really care how these ultra realistic sex dolls might help people for various reasons. I think in a world where men overwhelming treat women as unfeeling objects (yeah okay NAMALT), further blurring the lines between womens bodies and inanimate objects you can do what you want to is dangerous.

I think they should be illegal.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/sex-robot-breathes-incredible-ai-23275331

Haha I surmised as much.

I bet it's happened somewhere though.

"Err Mr Brown, we can see your sex swing, your camera is on'

Its not us that's objectificfying women.
No, just anthropomorphising dolls.🙄

@AfterSchoolWorry
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Is it cynical of me to presume it needs to breathe so it can be suffocated?

They should be so illegal prison time is involved.
That's absolutely what it's for.

No it’s not what the breathing is for, it’s so it’s less like a corpse. You can’t suffocate or choke a sex doll with the breathing function because it’s not actually breathing. It’s a battery powered simulation with an on/off switch. You could dunk it’s head under water and it would just keep breathing.

Again, I'm not sure why we are normalising this instead of looking at the route causes.

Whatever your stance I think we can all agree it's not a normal or healthy thing to have.

@TheBuffster

"Yes but never with objects. Only with living creatures like small animals, younger siblings, etc"

Actually sexual behaviour with toys is a safeguarding red flag.

Yes it’s a safeguarding flag for a possible victim of abuse. But abuse of objects is not linked to becoming a sexual predator or serial killer which is the question I was responding to.

Actually the two go hand in hand, abused children often become abusers.

And inappropriate use of toys is a red flag something is up. You have to dig deeper to find out what.

@TheBuffster

Again, I'm not sure why we are normalising this instead of looking at the route causes.

Whatever your stance I think we can all agree it's not a normal or healthy thing to have.

We could look at the root causes but, frankly, I don't see why we should. Let the men deal with it and unearth the reasons and help each other to become less tragic. Women have enough grunt work to do without trying to solve why saddo perverts are saddo perverts.

Let's leave the apes to it and continue to evolve women to recognising them and sacking them off.

Encourage, not evolve! Women are obviously more evolved anyway

Agree. But still have not seen any case of a sex/serial killer predator starting out by practicing abuse on an object and then escalating to attacking people. And it takes many cases for there to be even a correlation. It would be interesting to research.

I don't trust men to get round to it tbh.
They have a habit of ignoring things that don't directly effect them- look at the mess they're making of sex as a protected characteristic.

It’s a fetish. So it will never be normalised. But it doesn’t harm anyone so I’m pretty liberal about it. I don’t understand most fetishes, but it seems healthy for the people that have them. Repression might be unhealthy.

@TheBuffster
Men are the majority of sex doll buyers and users so sex dolls directly affect men more than women. I have no urge to do anything about it at this point. If sex dolls become full on androids, then I’ll have something to say about silicon based life forms and sentience.

Actually the two go hand in hand, abused children often become abusers.

How often compared with children who have not been abused @TheBuffster?

What do you mean? Are you asking if children show sexualised behaviour. Yes they do.
However people working with them are trained to look for what goes beyond the realm of normal.
I have just had basic training, I can't claim expert level knowledge.

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Tbh fetishis have been normalised . Thats the problem.

The fact that everyone's heard of a flesh light and a sex doll kinda proves that.

The fact that so many women have experienced unwanted choking shows just how mainstream things have become . And why, when we know part if the thrill of a fetish is to shock, it stands to reason that things will escalate

Repression might be unhealthy
I agree that it can be counterproductive to repress desires, cravings, fantasies, but indulging them can also lead to bad outcomes.
These are the difficult parts of being human, how to manage our selfish impulses for short term gratification, for sex, violence, revenge etc.
Ignoring these things doesnt make them go away, but nurturing and indulging them is going too far in the other direction!

There is not one recorded case of any predator starting out with objects and then escalating
sure, but we didn't used to have objects which are exact replicas of women designed for sex and which also breathe
I feel these should be considered a special category of 'objects'

I am 100% uncomfortable with the idea of dolls that are this life like. Not sure what I feel about them being made illegal. Not sure if there is evidence of harm coming from them to justify that. I’ll be interested to read what others think.

Is it loneliness? Why does this loneliness occur? Is it beyond our human scope to provide ways for people to meet. As someone with a disabled son I find it heartbreaking that people think that's a good enough companion for disabled people.

I think it is very noble and decent to want to alleviate loneliness but let’s be honest, a lot of men want to have sex for a variety of reasons, a lot of them stemming from biological urge. This can’t be easily overcome in populations which struggle to find willing partners unless you want to give them hormones to stop them being horny or you provision some sort of sex worker or doll to placate their urges. “They can just go without sex” you might say, and then you’re back to square one leaving someone to their urges.

I think all the hysterical responses here say more about the women making them, than the sad men with their sex dolls.

@TheBuffster

I actually think Mumsnet should ban the term Karen. It's nasty as.

This.

Jeffrey Dahmer started enacting his fantasies on sex dolls and escalated to the rape, torture and murder of real people, men and boys in his case.

Dennis Rader began by tying the limbs of barbie dolls with his "signature" knots and dismembering them, he moved on to be a serial killer. He kept his doll fascination though, and used to send tied up, dismembered barbies to the police with letters describing his crimes.

Those are just two off the top of my head who are known to have started with dolls and escalated, there are many more.

There are also sex dolls on the market ("Frigid Farrah" for one) with "resistance" settings, which will object if their mouth, genitals or breasts are touched, and which are designed to simulate a woman who does not want to participate.
The makers claim this is a good thing as apparently it will help teach men when a woman isnt into it so they dont go too far and become rapists.

We cannot say that sex dolls turn run of the mill perverts into psychopaths, but they are part of an escalating spiral of behaviour for those with those tendancies already.

Nothing noble about it, just don't like people using the disabled as some kinda gotcha.
Am raising my son to respect women and expect love. It's not out of reach to have a human relationship. I don't see how it's out of anyone's reach who has realistic and healthy expectations.

@Haggertyjane

I think all the hysterical responses here say more about the women making them, than the sad men with their sex dolls.

What does it say? All I can see is women saying that they think it is harmful for women to be viewed as objects for men's gratification. Is that a bad thing then? Sounds like a good thing to me.