To think a "breathing" sex robot should be illegal

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Apparently there is an AI sex robot that now has the feature of breathing (there's a video in the article in the link).

I don't really care how these ultra realistic sex dolls might help people for various reasons. I think in a world where men overwhelming treat women as unfeeling objects (yeah okay NAMALT), further blurring the lines between womens bodies and inanimate objects you can do what you want to is dangerous.

I think they should be illegal.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/sex-robot-breathes-incredible-ai-23275331

Playing with a DOLL is not REAL LIFE. No living creature is affected. And so therefore, it has zero relation to what a person who plays with dolls will or will not do in REAL LIFE with REAL people.

Thats not true, though is it? Sexual responses are conditioned, thats why men who have "death grip" cannot orgasm with less aggressive stimulation, such as vaginal stimulation.

So a man who has self-conditioned to orgasm from violent/aggressive/degrading sex (with a doll) will become unable orgasm from any other kind sex, regardless of whether the target is a live woman or a doll, and the whole thing spirals.

The dolls are also narrower and thus tighter than the vast majority of real woman, so the lowered levels physical of stimulation to the penis will mean the man will seek extra stimulation from another aspect to get off, leading you back to the spiral.

Orgasm is a very powerful conditioning tool. It’s intense positive reinforcement. Using a very realistic sex doll is nothing like using a hoover or even a vibrator. It’s meant to replicate the experience of sex with another person. A man being violent to it and then being rewarded with an orgasm is only going to intensify the link for him between violence against women and his pleasure. It’s built to be as convincing as possible. It’s not like other sex toys.

Great posts @PoleToPole and @LegoPirateMonkey.

Its pretty well known that heavy use of porn, especially violent porn, can result in men being unable to get off with a 'normal' woman during 'normal' sex.

Of course if you are used to abusing a doll in order to achieve an orgasm, that is going to spill over into real life, that's obvious isn't it?

Thank you @Jetatyeovilaerodrome, I see the effects of male sexual violence on women day in day out at work, and it sickens me.

Not sharing because I necessarily agree with this but found it whilst googling sex dolls fo see the breathing one and I thought it was interesting.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/19/what-i-learned-about-male-desire-in-a-sex-doll-factory?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

@Whatwouldscullydo
Yes children role play with dolls as toys. But they don’t just re-enact parenting things with dolls. There is also imaginative play. Such as the time my barbies crewed a pirate ship and made a captured Malibu barbie walk the plank to some ravenous sharks that first took a leg, then an arm, and finally decapitated her.

So perhaps I was a strange child, but I’ve never hurt anyone in my life. I didn’t grow up to be a pirate.

I imagine that most people (mainly women) who buy reborn dolls don't plan on having sex with them, violating them, or subjecting them to things they wouldn't do to a normal child. In that regard it's a ridiculous comparison to make.

This! I just don’t understand the comparison, it doesn’t work at all. If reborn dolls were marketed as sex toys and came with orifices or appendages designed specifically for providing the owner with sexual pleasure, then that would be a valid comparison. (And it would be absolutely disgusting.) But reborn dolls aren’t sex toys. I understand that they’re predominantly bought by collectors, or by people who’ve lost a child or by people who want a replica of a grown-up child.

You just can’t compare something that’s a sex toy with something that’s not!

Oh and to the PP who asked if there are male sex dolls.... yes seems to be the answer, but seemingly mainly for the gay market (warning: this link obviously contains adult material) cloudclimax.co.uk/product/wm-dolls-male-sex-dolls-160cm-with-head-78-in-stock/

@PlanDeRaccordement I played games like that with dolls as a child too. It’s very, very different to acting out violent and abusive sex with a realistic doll culminating in orgasm to reinforce the rewards of that behaviour. Very different.

So perhaps I was a strange child, but I’ve never hurt anyone in life. I didn’t grow up to be a pirate.

Perhaps not, but you seem to have grown up to have an unusually high tolerance threshold for male sexual violence and depravity towards women. It is difficult to word without it sounding like a personal attack.

Oh my DH had a doll he wouldn't Have become my DH

@Godimabitch
Omg do they actually do kid ones?!?! Thats so wrong and just disgusting! I can't believe someone would actually make a child one!

@PoleToPole

Playing with a DOLL is not REAL LIFE. No living creature is affected. And so therefore, it has zero relation to what a person who plays with dolls will or will not do in REAL LIFE with REAL people.

Thats not true, though is it? Sexual responses are conditioned, thats why men who have "death grip" cannot orgasm with less aggressive stimulation, such as vaginal stimulation.

So a man who has self-conditioned to orgasm from violent/aggressive/degrading sex (with a doll) will become unable orgasm from any other kind sex, regardless of whether the target is a live woman or a doll, and the whole thing spirals.

The dolls are also narrower and thus tighter than the vast majority of real woman, so the lowered levels physical of stimulation to the penis will mean the man will seek extra stimulation from another aspect to get off, leading you back to the spiral.

It is true. You are conflating masturbation with sex.

Yes, A man who has conditioned himself to orgasm with “death grip” masturbation may have ED when it comes to actual sex.

Yes, A man who has conditioned himself to orgasm with sex doll masturbation, may have ED when it comes to actual sex.

Or conversely a man with ED when it comes to actual sex may only be able to have any pleasure or orgasm through masturbation with or with a sex toy.

We see the same issues with women btw, women who can only orgasm with a sex toy being used. I have friends who have sex with their partner and then go to the bathroom and quietly get theirs with a vibrator or a well aimed detachable shower head. It’s the dependence on masturbation that can affect your ability to relax enough to orgasm when having sex with a partner. It’s silly to blame to toy when it’s really that the person has conditioned themselves to only orgasm when alone.

You can’t have violent, aggressive, degrading sex with a doll because the doll is an inanimate object. You can’t hurt it. No violence or aggression can be done to it, you can’t degrade it. So however a man masturbates with a doll is not going to set the pattern for how he has actual sex. Actual sex with a living woman is completely different.

Someone who trains themselves to orgasm from seeing pain and degradation inflicted on a woman will absolutely affect their sex life with real women. And the doll is meant to mimic sex with a woman. It’s meant to look and feel like a woman, in this case even breathe like one. How could you confidently state that a man would treat a living woman differently? It has nothing to do with women using vibrators; it’s completely different from other kinds of sex toys. It’s on a whole new level.

You can’t have violent, aggressive, degrading sex with a doll because the doll is an inanimate object.

So the men fisting, punching and strangling the doll on display at the exhibition isnt violent or aggressive? The acts they are performing arent degrading?

Inability to orgasm during sex vs masturbation is for very different reasons for women compared to men. I wouldn`t have thought that would even need to be pointed out.

And the amount of women with appallingly low standards, reeking of desperation in their mission to be seen as a "cool girl" and gain male approval whilst sticking it to other women.

The saddest thing is, these types never realise that the men they seek approval from are laughing at them.

No they don`t Buddytheelf85.

[quote LegoPirateMonkey]@PlanDeRaccordement I played games like that with dolls as a child too. It’s very, very different to acting out violent and abusive sex with a realistic doll culminating in orgasm to reinforce the rewards of that behaviour. Very different.[/quote]
Yes completely agree. I just think that the number of men who buy sex dolls to act out violent sex is very tiny. And a doll that is a lump of plastic that just lies there, it’s not going to provide any of the satisfaction for that type of man. There are none of the “rewards” that cause a violent rapist to orgasm in a sex doll.

As a PP pointed out, and it also mirrors my experience with being raped, men who like violent and abusive sex (who are we joking, it’s rape) don’t like it based on going through the motions. They don’t get off on hitting a lump of plastic, or shoving themselves in plastic tubes.

No, they derive their pleasure from having a real living woman in their power. They do the hitting and thrusting and pulling and choking because what they really want is to hear you crying, gasping, whimpering, begging, and seeing the pain and fear in your eyes. They love it when you fight back..my attackers laughed and had a good old time bashing me back down.
Sex dolls don’t fight back. Punching a sex doll is no more satisfying than punching a wall. It’s not going to be choking on blood if you punch a sex doll in the face. You wrench it’s arm....no howls of pain...no creaking when you push a bone almost but not quite to breaking. You stamp on its hand...no crunch of fingers shattering. You strangle the sex doll....it keeps its plastic smile and keeps breathing in and out the same as before because you haven’t flipped the off switch.

A sex doll isn’t going to condition a man to want to rape. It just isn’t. It’s so far outside the bounds of reality and realism.

@LegoPirateMonkey
Someone who trains themselves to orgasm from seeing pain and degradation inflicted on a woman will absolutely affect their sex life with real women.

Yes, that is why violent, degrading pornography is dangerous. Because men are watching real women being abused in real life. But you cannot compare a sex doll to a woman. The whole “realism” is marketing advertisement. A sex doll is nothing like a real woman. I think it’s baffling that you don’t think men can tell the difference between a doll, a sex toy and an actual woman.

@PoleToPole

You can’t have violent, aggressive, degrading sex with a doll because the doll is an inanimate object.

So the men fisting, punching and strangling the doll on display at the exhibition isnt violent or aggressive? The acts they are performing arent degrading?

Inability to orgasm during sex vs masturbation is for very different reasons for women compared to men. I wouldn`t have thought that would even need to be pointed out.

No, the men fisting, punching, and strangling a doll are not being violent or aggressive because it’s a doll. Just like I wasn’t being violent and aggressive when I pretended to feed Malibu barbie to the sharks and ripped off an arm, a leg and a head.

It’s not real. It’s not reality. It has no relation to reality.

These dolls do respond thought Plan they learn responses and recognise their users, so there will be that satisfaction of being violent to them, to a degree. A smaller degree yes, but men with such tendencies will escalate their behaviour in a majority of cases.
So what starts as rough, vigorous sex with a doll, becomes rougher and more violent with a real woman, who isn`t as narrow or tight as a doll, so additional stimulation is needed from elsewhere, ie from increasing the violence level.
No one should ever have to go through what you did.

Inability to orgasm during sex vs masturbation is for very different reasons for women compared to men.

Not really. When you get to the bottom of it. It all boils down to being conditioned to only be relaxed enough to orgasm when alone versus with a partner.

A sex doll isn’t going to condition a man to want to rape.

No, not a man who does not have those tendencies. It is very likely to aid in the escalation of the behaviour of men with those tendencies though, for all the reasons I and others have specified.

Not really. When you get to the bottom of it. It all boils down to being conditioned to only be relaxed enough to orgasm when alone versus with a partner.

No, that isn`t correct in the cases of the vast, vast majority of women with such issues.

No, the men fisting, punching, and strangling a doll are not being violent or aggressive because it’s a doll. Just like I wasn’t being violent and aggressive when I pretended to feed Malibu barbie to the sharks and ripped off an arm, a leg and a head.

Yes it is violence, in the same way that someone punching a wall is violence, and yes you were behaving violently with your dolls. Surely you can see that?

@PoleToPole
These dolls do respond thought Plan they learn responses and recognise their users, so there will be that satisfaction of being violent to them, to a degree.

It’s just not that sophisticated. It’s like a furby AI put in a mannequin. They don’t mimic emotions, or pain. They have no means to physically move, they’re like a jointed barbie doll. Overall, its just a lump of plastic in the shape of a woman that has an embedded fan that goes whoosh through their nostrils to give illusion of breathing and warms up to body temperature when you turn it on. You charge it by plugging it into a wall. My car has more AI than these sex dolls.

No, the men fisting, punching, and strangling a doll are not being violent or aggressive because it’s a doll. Just like I wasn’t being violent and aggressive when I pretended to feed Malibu barbie to the sharks and ripped off an arm, a leg and a head.

It’s not real. It’s not reality. It has no relation to reality.

You are correct that it is not possible to degrade a doll, because it’s a doll. The bit you’re missing is that these men are acting out fantasies of violent, degrading sex with real women on the dolls.

You say it’s not real and it bears no relation to reality. But... the dolls are created to be as realistic as possible. The market-leading brand is called ‘RealDoll’. The clue is quite literally in the name. The first line on their website is refers to ‘the most realistic doll in the world’. That’s why they’ve now devised one that breathes. To make it even more realistic.

So you say ‘it bears no relation to reality’, but the fact is the actual and literal point of these dolls, as stated by the manufacturers, is that they bear as much relation to reality as possible. That is the entire point of them.