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Impeachment of Trump and Inauguration of Biden (#120)

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Roussette · 13/01/2021 07:40

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4130520-On-our-way-to-Bidens-Inauguration-Trump-119?watched=1&msgid=103593277#103593277

So fast moving. Here we go again....

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Roussette · 14/01/2021 13:24

I think that is what will happen cycling.
He will be history I think. Apart from his rabid fanbase, who wants to hitch their wagon to him anymore? He's toxic.

Biden and his Administration will be putting covid first, they have to, they have no choice because Trump did nothing. Trump hasn't acknowledged it ripping through the country for weeks/months. But Biden has already mentioned stringent measures, a vaccination program, an economic and health response - a 100 day plan. Sorely needed as it's been ignored by the Trump administration.

I do think the Biden Administration is capable of doing more than one thing at once... tackling the country's problems and impeaching Trump

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DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 13:25

@pointythings

cycling that's called appeasement. It isn't a good thing. Trump should not escape the consequences of his actions, and nor should his followers, because to do so is to legitimise them.
And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 13:33

Your USA friends must be absolutely furious with Trump, then, cyclingmad, for not doing those things while in office (as he still is).

I'd guess they're also angry with Trump for the events of the last week sucking resources from these issues, and with Republicans who've delayed business with entirely spurious objections.

Fortunately Biden is making plans to get on with dealing with Covid and with other business, despite having to deal with the Trumpists' political shenanigans.

Trump has picked one of the worst imaginably times in the US's recent history to throw a tantrum and try to me-rail all attention and activity onto him. And he has, of course, chosen a tactic which means he has to be dealt with, rather than ignored smashing his toys in a corner, because he's tried to set fire to the actual process of democracy in the US, the process of orderly transfer of power. He is trying overthrow the democratic will of the people, and to rip up the concept of a "government of laws, not of men."

This is at least as important as individual lives – which is why the US has on occasion been to war and shed lives to defend it.

So crushing the Trumpies' attempt to install him as King, and doing so definitively without leaving openings for future attempts, is vital.

It's a mark of Trump's utter disregard for the lives and rights of American citizens that he pushed ahead with his putsch even during the pandemic.

Your friends have every right to be mad about it.

cyclingmad · 14/01/2021 13:37

Actually they were quote angry with the Democrats held back the vaccine approvals many months ago before finally voting it in aroind time of the election I believe an their position is now that Biden is confirmed Preaidenr get inaugurated and get moving on vaccines.

And yes the impeachment can hold up Biden getting on with things since the Senate needs to approve cabinet picks which Biden has yet to do.

My friends wish there was a third party to really take on the Dems and Reps as they are fed up with both, each always scoring political points and holding and down voting important things just to stick it to the other side

PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 13:39

Of course Republicans in the Senate can ensure the impeachment takes up as little government time as possible, while still following all due process and giving him a fair defence, by not stringing it out with long, irrelevant rambles about men on the moon.

We commented on these yesterday, eg by Jim Jordan. Those Republicans clearly had nothing real to say. They were merely drawing out the process for the fun of it, to play politics.

If these Trumpie Republicans do this again during the trial, your US friends will have every right to be furious with them.

Pumpkinpie1 · 14/01/2021 13:40

Wow Catanzara saying he will still be head of the police union even if he’s sacked from the police ...... such arrogance

PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 13:41

Why are they waiting for Biden to be president to get moving on the vaccine roll outs?

Trump could do it. He's president.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 13:43

And yes the impeachment can hold up Biden getting on with things since the Senate needs to approve cabinet picks which Biden has yet to do.

Is that a straight majority, or 2/3rds ?

PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 13:47

Also, can you explain to me what you mean by Democrats holding back vaccine approvals?

I might have missed something, but I thought all the different stages of testing and approval were being done by government agencies? Such agencies ought to be apolitical but of course many are now run by Trump-appointees – can't remember the exact agencies involved with approving vaccines, although obviously FDA.

I know Trump threw a wobbly when one stage of approval for one of the vaccines was announced just after the election, but despite what he imagines, the whole world doesn't revolve around him.

Roussette · 14/01/2021 13:48

I think we know why Perking.... if Republicans can't be arsed to wear masks whilst being held under siege in a confined space in the Capitol building, and the GOP with Trump as his Leader is focussed on other things, like sabotaging the democratic process.... they are not taking it seriously enough.

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Roussette · 14/01/2021 13:50

Trump was just pissed that the vaccine approval was announced by Pfizer after the election and not before.
Pfizer can announce it when they want.
Nothing to do with Democrats, that is bizarre to think that

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cyclingmad · 14/01/2021 13:53

Trump has made changes but its up to the states to take on board those changes. Majority of which are Democrats and my friends who live on those states say its not and its a shambles.

Its abit like London where its a Labour majority and the Mayor does everything to thwart doing what Government says to make Conservatives look bad.

Its ridiculous, playing for political points at peoples expense.

PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 13:57

Trump positioned himself as the third party before the 2016 election! He ran on the Republican party ticket, but he promised to take on the political "establishment" and "drain the swamp" – remember?

Turns out, "sticking it to the other side" is pretty much all Trump does. That's why he's refused to allow Biden the access to security briefings that all outgoing presidents – except Trump – give their successor.

Trump's refusal to acknowledge Biden's win also delayed the incoming team's access to funding and hampered its ability to work with officials in key agencies.

Donald Trump’s refusal to concede sparks transition sabotage fears
Non-cooperation could slow Joe Biden’s ability to act on coronavirus and reinstatement of environmental regulations
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/donald-trump-refusal-to-concede-transition-sabotage-fears-joe-biden

As Donald Trump Refuses to Concede, America Is Caught Between Crisis and Confusion
time.com/5910875/trump-concede-biden/

AcrossthePond55 · 14/01/2021 13:59

@PerkingFaintly

Why are they waiting for Biden to be president to get moving on the vaccine roll outs?

Trump could do it. He's president.

Something has happened because in my state my 'group' has been bumped up and we are now eligible (moved from group 1c to 1b).

I'd heard on the news something about the Scrotus Admin deciding to follow Biden's vaccine plan and release all available doses rather than conserving half of them as was their previous plan. But I don't know if the order has actually been given or if my state is changing the groups because they expect it to be ordered.

I think at this point the various agency heads are realizing that Scrotus isn't doing a damn thing as far as day to day business from now on (unless he's doing something to spite someone) nor is he watching what they're doing closely (unless it affects him personally), so I wouldn't be surprised to see more changes in policies between now and 20 Jan.

PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 14:00

You seem to be resiling quite fast from your claim at Thu 14-Jan-21 13:37:47, cyclingmad.

pointythings · 14/01/2021 14:01

cyclingmad there's no evidence that Democrats held up vaccine approval: www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/fact-check-no-evidence-supports-trump-s-claim-covid-19-vaccine-result-was-suppressed

So your friends are deluded.

Roussette · 14/01/2021 14:02

Now we're getting into crazy territory here...

The Democratic states have been pushing for mask mandates and the like, are you saying they are doing the opposite? Because that is absolutely not true. There are plenty of articles out there disputing what you are saying.

This is taken from a study done...
'the observed partisan differences in distancing were associated with subsequently higher COVID-19 infection and fatality growth rates in pro-Trump counties.'

You only have to look at his mask-less Rallies. Says it all.

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TooTrueToBeGood · 14/01/2021 14:03

@cyclingmad

Trump has made changes but its up to the states to take on board those changes. Majority of which are Democrats and my friends who live on those states say its not and its a shambles.

Its abit like London where its a Labour majority and the Mayor does everything to thwart doing what Government says to make Conservatives look bad.

Its ridiculous, playing for political points at peoples expense.

I find it very hard to believe that not only do you have friends in numerous states but enough of them, and with sufficient visibility, to give you a credible picture of what is happening.

Anecdotal evidence is unreliable at the best of times. Anecdotal evidence that is at best grossly exaggerated, and at worst a complete fabrication, has no validity whatsoever.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 14:04

various agency heads are realizing that Scrotus isn't doing a damn thing

I did hear an interesting POV that if it turned out it was Pence that ordered the national guard in last Wednesday, it would be a prima facie demonstration that the president was unable to discharge his duty

Whether that means much I don't know.

pointythings · 14/01/2021 14:07

X-post, Lawyer! Grin

PerkingFaintly · 14/01/2021 14:08

Maybe cyclingmad's "friends" aren't getting very good information from the "news" sources they choose?

Perhaps they should read around a bit more?

Sounds like they're getting quite distressed and angry over things they needn't – and heaven knows no one needs more of that right now. They might find it reassuring to hear more from outside the Trumpie misinformation flow.

Lweji · 14/01/2021 14:08

On a lighter note:

www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jan/14/macaulay-culkin-joins-calls-to-get-donald-trump-cameo-removed-from-home-alone-2

Soon to come:
Home alone at the White House (just Trump, the SS tries to get him out) - Guess who plays mother and father?
Alone with no home (to go to)

snowliving · 14/01/2021 14:12

What is happening in some democratic states is that they aren't releasing the vaccine to the next category of eligible people.
This is/was because take up in the first group particularly health workers in vulnerable BAME communities was far too low.
So for everyone's safety they were working on getting that up to a decent threshold before moving onto the next group.
This slowed down the rollout and is frustrating for everyone else waiting for a shot.
They are now relaxing this in my Dem state and moving onto the next group.

snowliving · 14/01/2021 14:13

NPR has covered this but I don't have a quote able source offhand.