Impeachment of Trump and Inauguration of Biden (#120)

[Roussette]

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So fast moving. Here we go again....

From CNN(and posted by someone above) even Senate conviction doesn't bar his running again. There would need to be another, separate senate vote.

Thanks to all who gave me a run down on how many were saying they'd vote to impeach!

Took a break and have just caught it in time to see it's official and he is impeached

The FBI have said there is much more to come about what went on in the Capitol building. If some of that comes out before the impeachment trial, perhaps a few more GOPs will find their backbones.

@RedToothBrush

What happens to the 10 who voted against?

As we found in the UK, sticking your neck out against the party (even if there's no party whip) ends your career. And gets you death threats.

Liz Cheney's state GOP have already expressed displeasure. Not sure if formal censure process has started

@RedToothBrush

I think we will see an Oklahoma style attack on a US democratic institution / a politicial assasination(s) within 4 years.

This is here now. 197 House Representatives just legitimised extremists.

This. A little earlier an aide said Trump was literally clueless about the devastating impact of the imminent impeachment on his presidential legacy but was worried about the stain on the Trump brand. And by extension the always going to happen bankruptcies which will now be blamed on the pesky Democrats. Stain on the Trump brand? 'The blood stain' corrected Jake Tapper, CNN anchor.

Trumps gotten what he wanted. Hes going to go in the history books. I honestly don't think he cared whether it would be in the context of beloved or infamous.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is simply being impeached is not enough to prevent him running again. He needs to be found guilty by the Senate otherwise he's free as a bird politically.

Yep - at present, in practical terms, this doesn't do anything. He was impeached in this way last time (albeit with only the Dems voting for it). However, he wasn't convicted in the Senate, so he basically got off scot free. And if he isn't convicted this time, the same will happen.

(and yes then the Senate would need to vote again to bar him from public office. Conviction requires 2/3 of those present to vote for it, barring only requires a majority, after conviction.)

He's been impeached 🎉🎉🎉 there is a god after all hopefully now he he can be held accountable for his heinous crimes

Well, I still remember where my boundaries-to-be-shocked were before Trump's Presidency.

And, yes, I'm shocked so many in the GOP wouldn't impeach when they are walking past troops to vote.

Surely his behaviour since losing the election meant that was already the case though, even before the impeachment?

Quite possibly, yes. But this puts the final nail in it, and wraps it up with a big bow.

You are totally right TooTrue, I meant if it gets through the Senate. But also this vote would cast his chances as being the presidential candidate, highly highly unlikely surely...

chomalunga Yes I watched that film, it was totally ridiculous I thought! Don't mean that rudely, just found it rather far fetched!

I agree that it's shameful. But it's hardly surprising, sadly, when you take into account the number of Republican representatives who voted to object to Biden's election victory, and even after the riots. They were never going to vote to impeach Trump.

More from CNN

McConnell makes clear no Senate trial before Biden is sworn in
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has made clear in a statement to fellow senators that President Trump's impeachment trial won’t start until after Jan. 19.

news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-impeached-again-but-what-does-it-mean-this-time-12186887?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

This is interesting. A seperate vote to stop him from holding office only has to be a majority vote in the Senate. It's a grey area whether the Senate would have to approve impeachment first, before that can happen.

Will he be called to testify??

He must be bursting to get his phone out and rant, but where?

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Do I need to go and screen shot pages from 'Auschwitz, Nazis and the Final Solution' by Laurence Rees making this exact point? Thats the History Book of the Year at the Book awards in 2006. Its a BBC book.

@RedToothBrush Er, have you even read the book? Because in this interview the author totally contradicts what you’re claiming:

“At this point the policy of the Nazi party was removing citizenship from Jews and probably, eventually, expulsion. In terms of what actually happened, that was due to a whole series of circumstances, Hitler’s reaction to those circumstances and a variety of different influences. At the core of it, though, was always Hitler and his desire to do something about what he called the Jewish problem.”

Regarding the Trump brand, Simon Marks, LBC US correspondent, reported earlier today that New York was withdrawing from any - many- contracts with Trump Org. And that others are also doing so. Excellent.

@Roussette

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This is interesting. A seperate vote to stop him from holding office only has to be a majority vote in the Senate. It's a grey area whether the Senate would have to approve impeachment first, before that can happen.

Will he be called to testify??

It's not a grey area. The vote on barring from office can happen only after a conviction and removal.

Trump could theoretically be called to testify, but I can't see the Senate managers giving him that much of a bully pulpit.

Roussette
I meant if it gets through the Senate. But also this vote would cast his chances as being the presidential candidate, highly highly unlikely surely...

Andrew Johnson was impeached, and scraped through the Senate vote by a majority of one. After his acquittal, he served out the rest of his term and became the first (and only) former U.S. president to be elected to the Senate.

In answer to someone else who wanted to know which impeached presidents had been in which party, of the htreee Andrew Johnson was a member of the National Union Party for the first half of his term and a Democrat for the second, Bill Clinton is a Democrat, and Trump is a Republican -- I reckon that by being impeached twice he has put the Republicans in the lead.

You are totally right TooTrue, I meant if it gets through the Senate. But also this vote would cast his chances as being the presidential candidate, highly highly unlikely surely...

You would think so, in a sane country at least. Look at how much bile, hate, lies and bullshit he has spewed without any dent on his support. I'm trying my damndest to be optimistic but right now my anger is gaining the upper hand. At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law not for the first time in this thread, let's not forget that Hitler was jailed for treason after the Beer Hall Putsch. Didn't quite end his political career, did it?

The longer the impeachment trial is delayed the better. Any further inflammatory comments from the Orange Fascist will be used as evidence in the trial so he'll be forced to shut the fuck up. Hopefully for weeks and, even better, months. Result !!

Thanks Across I wasn't sure, the article wasn't clear.

TooTrue yes of course, but the Republican party need a bit of reinvention I would've thought. Another presidential candidate would be needed, 4 years is a long time.
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BBC

Donald Trump is expected to speak tonight, likely sometime in the next 45 minutes.

The White House is reportedly still working out where to post the video message, which will come on the heels of his second impeachment. The president's personal accounts have been barred from Twitter, YouTube and Facebook following last week's riots.

Trump is apparently going to release a video statement later. He could of course just go into his Press Briefing Room and make a statement, abut apparently no-one around him is keen on the idea of just letting him loose....(nor the followup questions.)