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To ban ex's religous mum from contact with DS?

86 replies

dobidonadoda · 12/01/2021 19:53

My son is 2. I had a shortish relationship with his dad which failed as he had a lot of psychological/mental health issues, I tried to help but he refused to help himself and there was only so much I could do. He now lives abroad with a friend and has done for over a year, hasn't seen DS since he left but I get generous maintenance payments. He's settled there with a job and I'm pretty certain he isn't coming back any time soon. I'm okay with the setup as he was not in a position to be a stable father. He was raised in a very intense Christian sect (won't say which one, but their beliefs are very bizarre and they have a reputation for being very invasive in trying to get people to join) and that was the source of his issues.

Our whole relationship was strongly against the religion's rules, so he kept it separate from the rest of his life (all his social life was through the religion, and his family). However after I fell pregnant he had to confess and was promptly kicked out of the religion for premarital sex. They have a hard shunning policy, everybody cut him off, including his own mother and brother. He was living with his mother at the time and she kicked him out, so he moved in with me. She did come round not long after DS was born to see him (this isn't technically 'allowed' due to the shunning), ex was glad to see her taking an interest but after that she started begging him to come back and try and get reinstated to the religion. So he essentially told her where to go.

For the past 6 months, she has not left me alone. She is desperate to get me and DS into the religion. I have had to block her on Facebook and messenger due to her constantly asking to take DS to meeting/service after Covid is over or telling me to read this new article on the religion's website. I keep her number unblocked in case there is ever an emergency or something but I am getting absolutely sick of it all. The other day I got a paragraph of drivel about how me and my son will die soon unless I take up the religion. Other times it's just begging to see him and take him out etc. It's awful as I know she loves her grandson and thinks she is doing right by him but I will not have this shit in his life, especially after seeing what it did to my ex. Ex has mentally checked out of the situation, he can't talk to his mum about it anyway because she isn't allowed to have any contact with him due to the shunning policy. If she is found out to have had 'unessential' contact with him she could also be kicked out of the religion. Yes she came round after DS was born but that was clearly to see how likely it was that he'd come back. I actually think she may have him blocked everywhere now. I've also recently had her sister contacting me on her behalf telling me how much it would mean to her if I let her see DS. She is grinding me down and making me feel bad but surely I'm not in the wrong for not wanting him brainwashed? The religion takes over the entire live's of its members, so it's not a realistic prospect to allow contact on the condition that she keeps the religion separate, she would always feel like she was doing him a disservice by not 'saving' him.

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WunWun · 12/01/2021 19:56

I would tell her to stop contacting you at all and threaten with the police if she doesn't.

What kind of emergency do you mean? It's not your family. In an emergency it would be her son that would need contacting. Just because she's shunned him doesn't make you next of kin.

Chargebeam · 12/01/2021 19:57

YANBU. It sounds like she's part of a cult and toy do not want that in your child's life.

StrippedFridge · 12/01/2021 19:58

Full no contact immediately. Tell her you will not allow DS near the religion until he is an adult and can make his own choices. Then block her.

I keep her number unblocked in case there is ever an emergency or something
If you have an emergency and you need her (why?) then you can unblock her.
If your ex has an emergency relevant to you then he or his housemate can contact you.
Block her.

skintbutok · 12/01/2021 19:58

I'm sorry I can't offer any advice other than to suggest you contact the police. I wouldn't let her anywhere near my child.

unmarkedbythat · 12/01/2021 19:59

I'd do what WunWun said. Warn, block, report to police if she carries on.

StrippedFridge · 12/01/2021 19:59

She is grinding me down It is not just DS she wants to brainwash. You too. This is how they do it.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 12/01/2021 20:00

Text: Stop contacting me. Any further contact will be reported to the police as harrassment.

Confrontayshunme · 12/01/2021 20:01

I say this as a pretty hardcore Christian: you are not at all unreasonable. Spiritual trauma is rife in certain sects, and you are well within your rights as a mum to let this go. Don't keep leading her on though. Tell her that you will not expose your DS to this and all church talk is off the table or she is no longer invited round. It is the kind thing to do. She probably thinks that she has lost her son but might be able to save her DGS. Just tell her she is wrong. If she continues to bombard you with info, contact her church and say she has had contact. Leave it to them to sort it out.

Ohdoleavemealone · 12/01/2021 20:01

Sounds like a JW in which case I absolutley would keep her at arms length.
It sounds like to me, she is allowed to have contact with you under the guise of recruitment. She sounds desperate.

Send pics and handprints etc but tell her that if she continues to send religious material you will feel you have no option but to cut ocntact completely.

LibrariesGiveUsPower45321 · 12/01/2021 20:01

YANBU. Cut all contact and change your mobile number. If she persists call the police.

Cults like that are devastating. I had a friend who escaped one similar.

Daisysflowers · 12/01/2021 20:04

Block her number!!! Now!
If your sons dad wants to contact you he will go to you not go through her so there is no reason to have her unblocked!

Do not let her see your son, she has no need to! She is just trying to suck you in by making out she just wants to see him! It’s all a ploy!

If she persists threaten with the police if she continues then go to the police!

Do not let your son get sucked in to her world!

Plonque · 12/01/2021 20:06

Why do you have any contact with her? What emergency would mean having to contact her or have her contact you?
Make sure your xdp has all the contact details he needs, and give to his friend so if anything happens to xdp, friend could notify you if xdp is incapacitated etc and block his mother.

Janonomouse · 12/01/2021 20:07

Absolutely cut all contact.

1Morewineplease · 12/01/2021 20:07

Protect your son and block your ex's family completely.
You and your son do not need this cultish indoctrination.

Plonque · 12/01/2021 20:07

Change your number too!

turtletattle · 12/01/2021 20:07

So sad - what @Confrontayshunme exactly. I'm sorry that your ex didn't have better relatives, and sorry that this woman has lost her son, and grandson because of this hard shunning policy. I hope you have other people in your life to support you through this.

TillyTopper · 12/01/2021 20:08

I have family who are in a strict Brethren - do not let her grind you down and do not let her see your DS. Personally I'd move away and not give her the details. Religion when it's fanatical is just awful.

june2007 · 12/01/2021 20:10

How about supervised contact.

Porcupineintherough · 12/01/2021 20:13

This is a woman who ditched her own son when he failed to live up to a very narrow band of religious expectations. Do not give her a chance to either lure your ds into her sect or ditch him without a second thought when he "fails" her.

RJnomore1 · 12/01/2021 20:13

I suspect my parents are members of the same cult, if not very similar. YANBU and while they have had contact with my children it’s been kept minimal to avoid the sort of trauma and confusion that I had to work through.

As it’s not your mum and you’re not dealing with the complications of working through your own parental relationship you’re doing the right thing.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 12/01/2021 20:14

Yup I would definitely block her and any other family members that are contacting you, but before you do tell them if they keep trying to contact you, you will report them for harassment.

Toptop498 · 12/01/2021 20:15

No, you're doing the right thing. That would be immensely stressful for your son. She will make him feel you and he are in danger.

lastqueenofscotland · 12/01/2021 20:15

Honestly I would firmly but calmly tell her she is not to contact you, and if she does you will not hesitate to involve the police. And end it there.

Heartlantern2 · 12/01/2021 20:16

That’s a easy problem to solve.

“Sorry MIL but we have no interest in a religion that encourages parents to disown their own children...........I love my son too much”.
*cold silence

Grin yes, I know I’m mean but come on....how can adults really not think for their individual self’s! Abandoning your child for having sex before married....ridiculous!

StoneofDestiny · 12/01/2021 20:17

Block her - I'd not leave my child in her care whatever the emergency. Sort out your own emergency shortlist.
Change your number and give it to your sons father, but not to her.
Move if you can.