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To ban ex's religous mum from contact with DS?

86 replies

dobidonadoda · 12/01/2021 19:53

My son is 2. I had a shortish relationship with his dad which failed as he had a lot of psychological/mental health issues, I tried to help but he refused to help himself and there was only so much I could do. He now lives abroad with a friend and has done for over a year, hasn't seen DS since he left but I get generous maintenance payments. He's settled there with a job and I'm pretty certain he isn't coming back any time soon. I'm okay with the setup as he was not in a position to be a stable father. He was raised in a very intense Christian sect (won't say which one, but their beliefs are very bizarre and they have a reputation for being very invasive in trying to get people to join) and that was the source of his issues.

Our whole relationship was strongly against the religion's rules, so he kept it separate from the rest of his life (all his social life was through the religion, and his family). However after I fell pregnant he had to confess and was promptly kicked out of the religion for premarital sex. They have a hard shunning policy, everybody cut him off, including his own mother and brother. He was living with his mother at the time and she kicked him out, so he moved in with me. She did come round not long after DS was born to see him (this isn't technically 'allowed' due to the shunning), ex was glad to see her taking an interest but after that she started begging him to come back and try and get reinstated to the religion. So he essentially told her where to go.

For the past 6 months, she has not left me alone. She is desperate to get me and DS into the religion. I have had to block her on Facebook and messenger due to her constantly asking to take DS to meeting/service after Covid is over or telling me to read this new article on the religion's website. I keep her number unblocked in case there is ever an emergency or something but I am getting absolutely sick of it all. The other day I got a paragraph of drivel about how me and my son will die soon unless I take up the religion. Other times it's just begging to see him and take him out etc. It's awful as I know she loves her grandson and thinks she is doing right by him but I will not have this shit in his life, especially after seeing what it did to my ex. Ex has mentally checked out of the situation, he can't talk to his mum about it anyway because she isn't allowed to have any contact with him due to the shunning policy. If she is found out to have had 'unessential' contact with him she could also be kicked out of the religion. Yes she came round after DS was born but that was clearly to see how likely it was that he'd come back. I actually think she may have him blocked everywhere now. I've also recently had her sister contacting me on her behalf telling me how much it would mean to her if I let her see DS. She is grinding me down and making me feel bad but surely I'm not in the wrong for not wanting him brainwashed? The religion takes over the entire live's of its members, so it's not a realistic prospect to allow contact on the condition that she keeps the religion separate, she would always feel like she was doing him a disservice by not 'saving' him.

OP posts:
diddl · 12/01/2021 22:00

"I’d tell her that unless she stops trying to convert you and your son, you can’t let her see him."

Bloody hell no!

Op's son needs protecting from her & her cult ideas, not exposing to her ever.

Morechocmorechoc · 12/01/2021 22:02

Move house and block her and don't let her know where you are.

diddl · 12/01/2021 22:02

Honestly Op, how can you feel anything at all for a woman that cut off her son on the orders of a cult.

CoraPirbright · 12/01/2021 22:11

I am not sure that threatening this nutjob with the police will work half as well as threatening to tell her cult leaders about her unauthorised contact with you. Use that and cut her off. She sounds dangerous.

laudete · 12/01/2021 22:18

Block her and block her sister and any other cultists. Your ex has already sacrificed a lot to escape his mom and her cult. Don't let it be in vain. I infer that he didn't get a - for want of a better word - sane childhood but your son can and deserves to have it. Your son's dad is giving him "generous" financial support, a good mom (you) and the freedom to not be a part of his family. It could be a whole lot worse.

Corcory · 12/01/2021 22:21

I'd really seriously look at moving as well as blocking. You have got to get this person and anyone else connected with them out of your life for your own piece of mind as well as the sanity of your child.

Mascaramademehappy · 12/01/2021 22:22

I know exactly what religion you are talking about - do not let them have access to your son.

You can tell her that you will have a friendship with her but she needs to respect that you will not under any circumstance discuss religion. If she deviates from that then no contact.

They are tenacious but it is a dangerous organisation who prey on the vulnerable.

Stay strong and listen to your gut.

Doyouavocado · 12/01/2021 22:30

Fuck that shit. There is no chance in hell I would let them near my child. Block, delete, goodbye.

movingonup20 · 12/01/2021 22:42

What Christians shun people in the 21st century, not true ones for sure! In my church, if you stopped all those who lived together before marriage, those who are divorced and those who are gay from attending there would be no one left, not even the incumbent vicar nor his deputy!

Yohoheaveho · 12/01/2021 22:47

Block, delete, goodbye.

Lookslikerainted · 12/01/2021 22:52

Block her on everything. What emergency could she need you for?

SunsetSenora · 12/01/2021 23:05

Grandparents have no rights. Sad for some, but in this case, a good thing. She is not going to change, and she could do real psychological damage to your son if given a chance. No contact all the way - maybe get some legal advice. The good news is that your childs father sounds like he will be in support of the NC with her, which will help your case.

Yohoheaveho · 12/01/2021 23:25

keep a record of everything, do not respond, block etc

Cherrysoup · 13/01/2021 00:06

Jehovah’s? You can contact their local Church and report her. Or phone the non-emergency police number and ask for advice. Tell her you’ve done these 2 things and block her on everything. She has no right to see your child.

Lostinthemail · 13/01/2021 12:12

She doesn’t love her grandson OP, don’t think that for a minute. She threw her own son out! She wants your son to be a part of her sect, maybe as a way to reel her son in, but even if that doesn’t work, she’ll have a brand new person to brainwash. Your son’s father got his mental health damaged in the process of dealing with them. Please keep your own child safe.

VettiyaIruken · 13/01/2021 12:21

I would write to her cult's local offices and tell them she is constantly in contact trying to make you see her, that you want this to stop, that you will not convert nor let her convert your son and you have told her this and you would very much like the shunning she had previously promised thank you.

VettiyaIruken · 13/01/2021 12:22

And maybe add you are Catholic and that's how you are raising your son.

That'll really piss them off.

ArnoJambonsBike · 13/01/2021 12:26

"Unlike you, I am a decent parent and should my child become ill, I would like the doctors to have the option of helping him, instead of destroying his health like you did to yours"

WunWun · 13/01/2021 12:31

Oh FFS. There's no need to say any vitriolic shit to her or grass her up to the church. Just block and move on.

Quaagars · 13/01/2021 12:38

Absolutely no way on this earth would I be getting sucked into that, or letting my child anywhere near.
Sounds cultish, stay well away.
Definitely block

Yohoheaveho · 13/01/2021 12:39

I agree, trying to put her straight, wind her up punish her etc is counterproductive, she is brainwashed and everything is interpreted through the prism of her religion unless you want to do a full-on deprogramming attempt don't waste your energy and make things more complicated for yourself OP.
Be clear and firm but say as little as possible, don't make waves, don't make yourself an attractive target.
Drop completely off her radar, make yourself uninteresting so that she has very little incentive to pursue matters

2bazookas · 13/01/2021 12:43

If she had covertly contacted you just for granny-time, there might be some future benefit for your son. But since she has made it all about her cult, saving him, threats etc, there is nothing on the horizon for DS but tension stress and trouble. So just cut her off and go NC.

If she persists, contact the police and make a complaint of harassment and threats ( "you will die") etc.

SpilltheTea · 13/01/2021 12:57

I wouldn't allow this woman anywhere near me or my child.

HyacynthBucket · 13/01/2021 13:34

Please do what ktp100 advises on here, OP. The message she advises is clear and unambiguous and willnot leave your DS grandmother guessing about what she can do. It will leave no further doubt about exploiting loopholes in her mind. At the same time it is definite about your intentions and will allow you to draw an absolute line about hers. Good luck, it sounds as though you and your DS are set for a good future if this is resolved once and for all now.
Also as someone advised, look into the 'next of kin' issue - ask a solicitor how to protect your child if something happens to you. Flowers

YoniAndGuy · 13/01/2021 13:39

Jesus keep her well away. Forever.

Stop thinking of her as his grandmother - she's incapable of that, she's simply a threat. She couldn't even put her son first and be a supportive mother so why the hell do you think her feelings towards her grandson will be any less corroded? She is simply thinking of herself and her cult.

I would not hesitate to tell her that if she contacts you again, you'll call the police, and you'll contact her church/sect and tell them that she's met with her son, and your son, and has broken the shunning.

That should get rid of her.

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