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To ban ex's religous mum from contact with DS?

86 replies

dobidonadoda · 12/01/2021 19:53

My son is 2. I had a shortish relationship with his dad which failed as he had a lot of psychological/mental health issues, I tried to help but he refused to help himself and there was only so much I could do. He now lives abroad with a friend and has done for over a year, hasn't seen DS since he left but I get generous maintenance payments. He's settled there with a job and I'm pretty certain he isn't coming back any time soon. I'm okay with the setup as he was not in a position to be a stable father. He was raised in a very intense Christian sect (won't say which one, but their beliefs are very bizarre and they have a reputation for being very invasive in trying to get people to join) and that was the source of his issues.

Our whole relationship was strongly against the religion's rules, so he kept it separate from the rest of his life (all his social life was through the religion, and his family). However after I fell pregnant he had to confess and was promptly kicked out of the religion for premarital sex. They have a hard shunning policy, everybody cut him off, including his own mother and brother. He was living with his mother at the time and she kicked him out, so he moved in with me. She did come round not long after DS was born to see him (this isn't technically 'allowed' due to the shunning), ex was glad to see her taking an interest but after that she started begging him to come back and try and get reinstated to the religion. So he essentially told her where to go.

For the past 6 months, she has not left me alone. She is desperate to get me and DS into the religion. I have had to block her on Facebook and messenger due to her constantly asking to take DS to meeting/service after Covid is over or telling me to read this new article on the religion's website. I keep her number unblocked in case there is ever an emergency or something but I am getting absolutely sick of it all. The other day I got a paragraph of drivel about how me and my son will die soon unless I take up the religion. Other times it's just begging to see him and take him out etc. It's awful as I know she loves her grandson and thinks she is doing right by him but I will not have this shit in his life, especially after seeing what it did to my ex. Ex has mentally checked out of the situation, he can't talk to his mum about it anyway because she isn't allowed to have any contact with him due to the shunning policy. If she is found out to have had 'unessential' contact with him she could also be kicked out of the religion. Yes she came round after DS was born but that was clearly to see how likely it was that he'd come back. I actually think she may have him blocked everywhere now. I've also recently had her sister contacting me on her behalf telling me how much it would mean to her if I let her see DS. She is grinding me down and making me feel bad but surely I'm not in the wrong for not wanting him brainwashed? The religion takes over the entire live's of its members, so it's not a realistic prospect to allow contact on the condition that she keeps the religion separate, she would always feel like she was doing him a disservice by not 'saving' him.

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marshmallowfluffy · 12/01/2021 20:19

I would tell her not to contact you again and say that if she does, you will inform the police and her religion.

Yanbu to protect your son Thanks You are completely in the right to protect your son from history repeating itself and being damaged by this sect.

BringPizza · 12/01/2021 20:19

Just be blunt with this woman, she is only after you for headcount, she cares not a jot. You have a duty of care to your own child to protect him from this bat-shittery.

AuntyPasta · 12/01/2021 20:20

’Sorry MIL but we have no interest in a religion that encourages parents to disown their own children’

This ^

Holothane · 12/01/2021 20:27

Block now my dh has an uncle he’s dangerous with his beliefs. We keep well away. Don’t let your child’s childhood be ruined by this cult.

Winterwoollies · 12/01/2021 20:27

No @june2007 did you not read the OP??

1forAll74 · 12/01/2021 20:30

I would not let this woman anywhere near a child,or yourself. People who are brainwashed into oddball religious cults whatever,are usually manic and very unpleasant. It's hard to deal with such people, as they have a one track mindset about their lifestyle choice, so all best avoided at all times.

LouiseTrees · 12/01/2021 20:38

Could you tell her you will join the religion but only to reveal she did have unessential conversations after the birth of the child so that she too would be shunned? Then she could see the light that at the heart of all sensible religions is love and forgiveness after repentance.

MichelleofzeResistance · 12/01/2021 20:43

No contact, be very aware here that once she has begun to have visits and contact with DS it will be harder to stop if it goes wrong or she starts working on DS, as she inevitably will, to hold the beliefs she will want him to have. It's not a precedent you want to build on. Particularly as some solicitors encourage grandparents to try for contact in court if parents say no, and courts may look at continuing what you offered in the past. Not a risk worth taking.

RoosterTheRoost · 12/01/2021 20:43

How firm have you been with her that you’re not interested in the religion? Have you been passive when she starts her preaching?
I’d tell her that unless she stops trying to convert you and your son, you can’t let her see him.
(My family are JW’s but they never talk about God or religion to me)

HisNibs · 12/01/2021 20:44

TBH she's more or less a complete stranger to you given her relationship with her son. Just block her and her sister. If they turn up, report for harassment. Under no circumstances, emergency or otherwise would I leave my child in her care

peak2021 · 12/01/2021 20:48

Whilst in general I think grandparents should have a part in a child's life, there are a few exceptions and this seems one. Given the age of your DS he is unlikely to ever have any memories or feel robbed of any relationship as he grows older, if his grandmother is not in his life.

BreatheAndFocus · 12/01/2021 20:49

Protect your son - block her. It sounds like all she can think about is her religion. Your DS would be second to that and possibly damaged by what sounds like barking mad cult-like obsession.

Jacketpotato84 · 12/01/2021 20:56

Wait.. she said you and your son will die if you dont join this cult religion thing?

Wow shes deluded. scarmongering you for her own gain. That is just strait up abuse. Tell her you will pray for her and that Jesus loves her then block for your own safety and sanity.
Im a christian myself and some of these religions are just fake immoral people doing the devils work.. never would i say that someone will die unless they did such and such.. Jesus gives us eternal life right? Thats why he died?
Nonsense she is spewing honestly.
Love yourself and do not allow contact if she persists contact the police as this is harrasment, screenshot the messages for back up. There is a lot of bad out there be careful what you subject yourself to x you have every right to feel safe x

Pythonesque · 12/01/2021 20:56

I think you have unanimity of responses here. Any of the groups that practise shunning are best kept much further away than arm's length.

And I'm another committed Christian saying that.

If you have any religious interest then do consider engaging with mainstream communities within your religion; that would not only be a strong source of support for you in bringing up your son, but provide an extra element of protection against the aberrant behaviour and brainwashing of some sects and cults.

AldiIsla · 12/01/2021 20:59

Religion sounds like an organised mental health crisis. Schizophrenia with more steps.

The whole you and your son will die without the religion, that's the kind of shit people say before they try to steal your baby.

Tell her if she keeps harassing you you'll phone the fuzz. Don't let her grind you down.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 12/01/2021 21:06

My understanding is that regular contact will set a legal precedent which would allow her to apply for court ordered regular contact as a grandparent.
I would run like the ffing wind from this and tell your ex to tell his family to back off.

Tistheseason17 · 12/01/2021 21:10

Block/delete. It wont stop.

FutureDuchessofHastings · 12/01/2021 21:29

Fuck that noise. She deserves absolutely nothing to do with your son. It's not contact with him she wants though, is it? It's conversion. How can she pretend to love him when she doesn't love her own son? She shunned her own son for making her grandson because she lives the cult more. She is a fanatical religious lunatic. You have seen first hand the damage she has done to your son's father. Keep her away, and your son safe, at all costs.
You see some shit posted on here but I think @june2007 wins the trophy tonight. Good grief.

FutureDuchessofHastings · 12/01/2021 21:30

*loves the cult more

MrsClatterbuck · 12/01/2021 21:34

I would also make sure that you have your will made and you have appointed someone to be the legal guardian of your son if God forbid something happens to you. His father from what you have written definitely wouldn't be capable. You do not want his GM to get him.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 12/01/2021 21:35

Emotionally abusive. Tell her that if she harasses you again you will call the police.

Santaiscovidfree · 12/01/2021 21:39

Injunction..

toocold54 · 12/01/2021 21:48

Does she know where you live OP?

I would block her and not involved her anymore.

I don’t think I’ve ever said that before but she is not thinking straight right now and wants to have contact for all of the wrong reasons. Give it a while and then re-add her and see how she is then.

toocold54 · 12/01/2021 21:50

My understanding is that regular contact will set a legal precedent which would allow her to apply for court ordered regular contact as a grandparent.

I didn’t think about this. I am sure grandparents do have rights so the least contact they have the better if it ever went that far.

ktp100 · 12/01/2021 21:59

I'm afraid your actions fly entirely against your wishes, here. I get why - nice people don't like to cause hurt and confrontation BUT your continued contact and allowance of begging/coercive messages from his family are fuelling their hopes of getting your son into the religion and that's going to cause hurt in the long term anyway.

Your job is not to manage your ex's family's sadness at not seeing your son, it's to protect him. You've already seen the damage their religion can cause and know you don't want your child anywhere near it so I'm afraid you really do need to tell them that.

I'd go for something fairly formal and very clear with no wiggle room whatsoever (or what's the point - if they see a loophole they'll take it, right?!). Something like....

Dear, I am messaging to let all of the family know that I will be closing direct lines of communication between yourselves and my child and I. You have made it clear that your goal is to indoctrinate us into your religion. I have seen the damage that your religion caused to 's mental health and will absolutely not ever consider my child having any part of this. I feel that by continuing communication I am allowing you to have hope that I may come around to your way of thinking but I won't. I do not feel you are capable of separating your relationship with my child from your religion and so the best thing to do is make my position clear now, rather than drag things out further. I am happy to send annual updates with photos and news but will not allow direct contact. I wish you all the best for the future.

It's a shitty position to be in, OP. You really do have all of the answers though and you are holding all of the cards.

This will continue only as long as you let it.x.