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To ban ex's religous mum from contact with DS?

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dobidonadoda · 12/01/2021 19:53

My son is 2. I had a shortish relationship with his dad which failed as he had a lot of psychological/mental health issues, I tried to help but he refused to help himself and there was only so much I could do. He now lives abroad with a friend and has done for over a year, hasn't seen DS since he left but I get generous maintenance payments. He's settled there with a job and I'm pretty certain he isn't coming back any time soon. I'm okay with the setup as he was not in a position to be a stable father. He was raised in a very intense Christian sect (won't say which one, but their beliefs are very bizarre and they have a reputation for being very invasive in trying to get people to join) and that was the source of his issues.

Our whole relationship was strongly against the religion's rules, so he kept it separate from the rest of his life (all his social life was through the religion, and his family). However after I fell pregnant he had to confess and was promptly kicked out of the religion for premarital sex. They have a hard shunning policy, everybody cut him off, including his own mother and brother. He was living with his mother at the time and she kicked him out, so he moved in with me. She did come round not long after DS was born to see him (this isn't technically 'allowed' due to the shunning), ex was glad to see her taking an interest but after that she started begging him to come back and try and get reinstated to the religion. So he essentially told her where to go.

For the past 6 months, she has not left me alone. She is desperate to get me and DS into the religion. I have had to block her on Facebook and messenger due to her constantly asking to take DS to meeting/service after Covid is over or telling me to read this new article on the religion's website. I keep her number unblocked in case there is ever an emergency or something but I am getting absolutely sick of it all. The other day I got a paragraph of drivel about how me and my son will die soon unless I take up the religion. Other times it's just begging to see him and take him out etc. It's awful as I know she loves her grandson and thinks she is doing right by him but I will not have this shit in his life, especially after seeing what it did to my ex. Ex has mentally checked out of the situation, he can't talk to his mum about it anyway because she isn't allowed to have any contact with him due to the shunning policy. If she is found out to have had 'unessential' contact with him she could also be kicked out of the religion. Yes she came round after DS was born but that was clearly to see how likely it was that he'd come back. I actually think she may have him blocked everywhere now. I've also recently had her sister contacting me on her behalf telling me how much it would mean to her if I let her see DS. She is grinding me down and making me feel bad but surely I'm not in the wrong for not wanting him brainwashed? The religion takes over the entire live's of its members, so it's not a realistic prospect to allow contact on the condition that she keeps the religion separate, she would always feel like she was doing him a disservice by not 'saving' him.

OP posts:
RoosterTheRoost · 14/01/2021 21:55

@diddl

"I’d tell her that unless she stops trying to convert you and your son, you can’t let her see him."

Bloody hell no!

Op's son needs protecting from her & her cult ideas, not exposing to her ever.

I’ve changed my mind. This was bad advice.

OP, cut her out completely. Don’t ever let her near your son.

(Sorry, I know this thread is already dead)

Wearywithteens · 14/01/2021 22:09

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PopsicleHustler · 14/01/2021 22:15

I'm a very religious person
I love God and I love to teach people about my religion. However I wouldn't be ramming it down the throats of everybody or forcing them . In my religion you can not revert unless it's truly in your heart that you want to commit to this faith. You're doing the right thing.

You cam have your own personal relationship with God. Ie pray to him and talk to him when you're down and thank him for your food etc
It's your life and your choice.

WunWun · 14/01/2021 23:16

@Wearywithteens

I know 2 children who were removed by social services and fostered because of an extremely religious mother. When the foster mum (who I know) takes them to church (as part of her commitment to ensure they keep contact with their community) their mother runs up to them and immediately asks them if they have their Bible and asks them if they’ve been ‘good’ - no hugs, no love - just a slavish brainwashed adherence.

It’s called ‘spiritual abuse’ and organisations who undertake safeguarding observance take the signs very seriously. I would get an injunction and prevent any contact by her or the sister. At the very least it’s unhealthy, and at worst it’s damaging. You are right to want no part of it and I would get the dad to support you in this.

If that's true, why are they allowed to her church for her to continue it?
Chargebeam · 14/01/2021 23:43

@PopsicleHustler

I'm a very religious person I love God and I love to teach people about my religion. However I wouldn't be ramming it down the throats of everybody or forcing them . In my religion you can not revert unless it's truly in your heart that you want to commit to this faith. You're doing the right thing. You cam have your own personal relationship with God. Ie pray to him and talk to him when you're down and thank him for your food etc It's your life and your choice.
Not sure what that has to do with OP's situation.
PopsicleHustler · 15/01/2021 04:20

@Chargebeam
What I was implying was, that even though I am a religious person and my religion and belief in God is a huge part of my life,I dont go forcing people to join my religion like OP has said her child GM is doing so. I realised I posted too soon without making my point across. What I mean is that everyone is entitled to their religion and way of life, but it to be forcing it on people. That's what I meant and that's what the op said her child grandmother had been doing. And I was given my perspective.
It's her life and her choice what she wants to do with her child and herself.

PopsicleHustler · 15/01/2021 04:21

It doesnt even sound like a religion
It sounds like a cult tbh

CuntyMcBollocks · 15/01/2021 07:21

She doesn't want a daughter-in-law or a grandson. She just wants two new converts. Cut off all contact and report her for harassment.

Godimabitch · 15/01/2021 07:54

Block them all. What kind of emergency could they possibly need to contact you about? Worst case, she's dying, big emergency, naff all to do with you though.

There is no scenario in which you need contact with these people, just block them. Keep all messages you've received though just in case they try something, you've got evidence they're obsessed nut jobs.

vintageyoda · 15/01/2021 08:34

I struggle to understand any advice that suggests even the minimum of contact. This woman is utterly brainwashed and incapable of having a reasonable relationship with you or your son, she has chosen that life for herself. You are not responsible for her happiness or any emergency that occurs in her life. Zero contact is the only way.

Serin · 15/01/2021 10:01

You need to get a lot tougher with her OP.
Her group are probably used to having doors closed in their faces and indeed, they themselves practise the concept of "shunning" for anyone who disagrees with them.
She probably interprets your "minimal contact" arrangements as you being ripe for conversion!.
Speak to her in language that she understands and
Get the fuck away from her/them.

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