To think teachers should be moved up vaccination list..

[Ltdannygreen]

I’m not a teacher just to clarify, but I can’t be the only one who think teachers should be a priority on the vaccination list, not just so kids can get back to school but many are currently working to teach the children of key workers who are on the frontline everyday who still pose a risk. I’m aware that elderly are important, but so are our teachers.

if school staff are vaccinated , schools will return

You did say that as above.

I'm saying it's not as simple as vaccinate school staff and schools can return. Because that doesn't solve the actual problem.

@PuttyIn

if school staff are vaccinated , schools will return

You did say that as above.

I'm saying it's not as simple as vaccinate school staff and schools can return. Because that doesn't solve the actual problem.

There is a difference between can/should and will.

I don't agree

You don't agree that the point of lockdown is to reduce the strain on the NHS? It's literally what we're told constantly is the reason for it but okay.

Puttyin do you know something the scientists don't? You seem adamant that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, whereas the scientists are uncertain whether or not it does and have said we will have to wait and see!

@PuttyIn

I don't agree

You don't agree that the point of lockdown is to reduce the strain on the NHS? It's literally what we're told constantly is the reason for it but okay.

No, I don't agree that the strain on the NHS is why the schools are closed. But I've said that.

@Wheresmykimchi

Where in that post did I mention teachers?

I said further upthread I think retail staff should be prioritised before us

I don't know a single teacher who is worried about their own welfare . We are worried about that of vulnerable people we are in contact with and our pupils.

Sorry, I hadn't connected your previous posts with the one I responded to.

In that case, which statistics suggest certain groups' mental health is more adversely affected by having to wait for the vaccine, and which groups are those?

@LimitIsUp

Puttyin do you know something the scientists don't? You seem adamant that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, whereas the scientists are uncertain whether or not it does and have said we will have to wait and see!

No but until we're told that it does prevent transmission then what is the point in using that as an argument for why certain people should receive the vaccine ahead of others?

Right now, all we know is that it prevents severe illness therefore it makes most sense to prioritise people based on that, not something we don't know yet.

Christ this thread has become deranged...

The HEALTH crisis is behind the general societal issues we are facing now, reducing the health crisis (stopping high deaths and hospitalisations) is key to allow anything to be able to happen again.

@Wheresmykimchi your posts are bizarre, to give you the benefit of the doubt you are highly ignorant regarding COVID death stats, do you realise that the first 4 priority areas are 88% of the current COVID deaths?!

And you do realise that the hospitals being at breaking point is affecting the health of the nation in a thousand other ways? Have you seen the numbers of people who can’t get cancer care currently?

Every 20 people vaccinated in a care home results in 1 direct life saved. Probably multiples not hospitalised, freeing up resources to save the lives of the young (from Covid and other illnesses).

Vaccinating teachers as a top priority at this point would be so stupid it would be borderline criminal. It would make f all difference to the deaths and hospitalisations, it would not allow schools to reopen, and would have no impact on the pandemic

@LimitIsUp until the scientists do know it stops transmission we have to make policy on the assumption it doesn’t. Otherwise we could make things worse. In reality, everything I’ve read says it probably does have at least some affect on transmission.

[quote Justcallmecaptainobvious]@LimitIsUp until the scientists do know it stops transmission we have to make policy on the assumption it doesn’t. Otherwise we could make things worse. In reality, everything I’ve read says it probably does have at least some affect on transmission.[/quote]
Agreed. Otherwise we risk wasting potentially months vaccinating people based on something we don't yet know which could fail to have any significant impact on the actual problem.

Until we actually know the situation regarding transmission, the only sensible thing to do is base priority on what we do know, which is the reduction of severe illness.

@Wheresmykimchi
Schools were opened in September precisely because the pressure on hospitals reduced during the first lockdown and the summer. There was pressure on schools to stay open to allow parents to work and to enable children to continue to be educated.

The pressure on the NHS is back due to more mixing in all walks of life and hence schools are rightly back to remote teaching but the main purpose of this is not to protect teachers or because of union pressure. If this was the case there wouldn't have been the ridiculous u turn made at the start of this term. The purpose of school closures along with further lockdown measures is to minimise community transmission and bring hospitals back under control so they can treat all patients.

When hospitals are able to treat everyone we will all have to learn to live with an element of risk of catching Covid in the knowledge that if we do we can be treated just as we live with the risk of all other diseases and the possibility of needing emergency treatment due to an accident.

@Onjnmoeiejducwoapy

Christ this thread has become deranged...

The HEALTH crisis is behind the general societal issues we are facing now, reducing the health crisis (stopping high deaths and hospitalisations) is key to allow anything to be able to happen again.

@Wheresmykimchi your posts are bizarre, to give you the benefit of the doubt you are highly ignorant regarding COVID death stats, do you realise that the first 4 priority areas are 88% of the current COVID deaths?!

And you do realise that the hospitals being at breaking point is affecting the health of the nation in a thousand other ways? Have you seen the numbers of people who can’t get cancer care currently?

Every 20 people vaccinated in a care home results in 1 direct life saved. Probably multiples not hospitalised, freeing up resources to save the lives of the young (from Covid and other illnesses).

Vaccinating teachers as a top priority at this point would be so stupid it would be borderline criminal. It would make f all difference to the deaths and hospitalisations, it would not allow schools to reopen, and would have no impact on the pandemic

I've said repeatedly that I don't think teachers should be first and that I think covid is impacting us in many other ways than directly related covid stats so I'm not sure why you've pinpointed me.

[quote BoomBoomsCousin]@Wheresmykimchi

Where in that post did I mention teachers?

I said further upthread I think retail staff should be prioritised before us

I don't know a single teacher who is worried about their own welfare . We are worried about that of vulnerable people we are in contact with and our pupils.

Sorry, I hadn't connected your previous posts with the one I responded to.

In that case, which statistics suggest certain groups' mental health is more adversely affected by having to wait for the vaccine, and which groups are those?[/quote]
Young mentally vulnerable people. The last on the list for the vaccine.

I don't know a single teacher who is worried about their own welfare . We are worried about that of vulnerable people we are in contact with and our pupils

Erm....because no teacher is vulnerable themselves? I am vulnerable on 2 accounts and am still in school 3 days a week. I have a vulnerable child. As far as I’m concerned, my first priority is doing what I can to keep myself well so that I keep my child safe and maintain our income and the roof over our heads. Frankly, any vulnerability anyone else may have is down the list.

@Watchingbehindmyhands

I don't know a single teacher who is worried about their own welfare . We are worried about that of vulnerable people we are in contact with and our pupils

Erm....because no teacher is vulnerable themselves? I am vulnerable on 2 accounts and am still in school 3 days a week. I have a vulnerable child. As far as I’m concerned, my first priority is doing what I can to keep myself well so that I keep my child safe and maintain our income and the roof over our heads. Frankly, any vulnerability anyone else may have is down the list.

Course they are. The point you've highlighted was in response to PP claiming that we are not majorly at risk so I don't know why you've highlighted me and not them

Although they are much more unlikely to die?

Where about’s on the list would you like them to be?
Above CEV?

If the young are vaccinated first, the numbers of deaths will stay the same, the lockdown / restrictions will stay the same.
As the vulnerable will still be dying

I don't think teachers should go ahead of, say over 70s or the very vulnerable.

But I think there is some sense in vaccinating the teachers first in each age group - eg when they're on to 50 year olds to vaccinate the teacher 50 year olds first.

I think you need to bear in mind that not every vulnerable / old person can shield for various reasons. My own elderly parents can't as they having caring responsibilities.

So schools return because teachers are vaccinated and kids largely unaffected. Sounds great on paper. However this does not allow for community transmission from kids to parents etc. My dh is ECV and I am borderline CV and both wrong side of 50 do I feel on balance vaccinations should be most vulnerable first.

Its simples, we should vaccinate the people most likely to die first.

Why do teachers think they should jump the queue?

I work in a school with children, although not teaching. I'm worried about going in as I don't think the schools are safe, although now I'm furloughed again, which is a relief.

But I still don't think those of us in schools should automatically be further up the list. I think the way the government are doing the vaccinations is entirely correct.

The most vulnerable first, because they are the ones most likely to end up in hospital, have long-term after effects or die. Not having hospitals blocked helps everyone, not just the NHS, because then there are health resources available for the rest of the population too.

It's no good looking at the vaccination list and thinking "who do the most worthwhile jobs, they should be higher up on the list" because (a) how do you decide how valuable their role is relative to others and (b) vaccinating those people won't necessarily stop all the old and vulnerable getting ill and dying.

Everyone would like to be higher up the list, I would myself. But starting with the most affected and working backwards, for this particular virus, is the right way.

Vaccinating teachers will not enable schools to open because it doesn’t solve the problem of pupil transmission and their families getting infected surely.

"There is also little evidence of the elderly or vulnerable being more likely to die

So I'd appreciate withdrawal of the fucked up."

Yeah your conspiracy theory shite is fucked up

Average age of death from covid in the uk is 84.

Without question. Absolutely.

"Honestly?

I think the mental health statistics and the impact of certain professions need to have some weight here"

So men working in factories should be the number 1 priority?