To think teachers should be moved up vaccination list..

[Ltdannygreen]

I’m not a teacher just to clarify, but I can’t be the only one who think teachers should be a priority on the vaccination list, not just so kids can get back to school but many are currently working to teach the children of key workers who are on the frontline everyday who still pose a risk. I’m aware that elderly are important, but so are our teachers.

No because it will be at the expense of the vulnerable. It is more important to vaccinate someone who is vulnerable but less likely to catch Covid at work than a teacher who is not vulnerable.
I do think teachers should be next in line once all of priory group 6 have been vaccinated.

In an ideal world I agree. But which vulnerable group of people more likely to die if they get Covid than them do you displace to make room?

It is still vital that the clinically vulnerable are towards the top of the list, teachers should be above healthy people age 60 to 70 though. That age group were not considered vulnerable enough to have to shield during the first lockdown so presumably there was a reason for that.

60 to 70 year old are much more likely to die

The reason they wasnt included in shielding in the first lockdown is the drs didnt realise this, THEN they all started to die.

So thats why they was included in the next lockdown!!!!

Christ !!!!!!

@PugInTheHouse

It is still vital that the clinically vulnerable are towards the top of the list, teachers should be above healthy people age 60 to 70 though. That age group were not considered vulnerable enough to have to shield during the first lockdown so presumably there was a reason for that.

The death/hospitalisation rate for this age is NOT good, they need vaccines way more than teachers. Check out this heat map:

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England

Were they included in the next lockdown? My parents are 65 and 67 and certainly weren't aware of this and they seem to constantly watch the news. If that's the case then I restract what I said. Before the U60s in that case. No need for the christ!!!!!! I clearly had got it wrong and wasn't being an asshole.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. I am more than happy to be corrected with proper info.

I still feel that teaching staff should come higher that general population who are not at a huge risk as well as some other occupations however I have mentioned before that I feel like this will be too difficult to sort.

@Ltdannygreen

I’m not a teacher just to clarify, but I can’t be the only one who think teachers should be a priority on the vaccination list, not just so kids can get back to school but many are currently working to teach the children of key workers who are on the frontline everyday who still pose a risk. I’m aware that elderly are important, but so are our teachers.

I am a teacher and I disagree that teachers should have priority.

I agree with the priority system we have, ie those who are at risk of hospitalisation and death.

Teachers are at the same risk factor of hospitalisation and death as others in their age group.

Having vaccinated teachers does not help with the notion that children are vectors and take the disease back into the community, to affect those who are more at risk of hospitalisation and death.

Having vaccinated teachers does not help with the notion that children are vectors and take the disease back into the community, to affect those who are more at risk of hospitalisation and death.

I believe there is some research into this but asymptomatic children may be less likely to pass on the virus. Also those vaccinated may also be less likely to pass on the virus. This is being researched and we just don't know but if this is correct then it would be good to have teachers vaccinated.

Viral load is also a problem. Teachers are at higher risk of more severe symptoms from being in a small, airless classroom all day with children and no masks.

Teachers won't be vaccinated until older and CEV people have had theirs. If it's a case of relatively young and healthy people vs. teachers/retail workers etc then why shouldn't teachers be vaccinated if there's even a small chance that carrying the virus is reduced.

@ allWheresmykimchi Tue 12-Jan-21 19:33:01
BoomBoomsCousin

@Wheresmykimchi

Based on the idea that the vaccine stops the spread , which is still up for debate, to get them back into school / work and get society functioning again. I wasn't aware I needed a thesis , I just have my own feelings and opinions and I've said tenfold we all see it through a different lens

Well you said, when you first suggested things other than preserving life should be considered: "I think the mental health statistics and the impact of certain professions need to have some weight here."

So yes, I thought you had some statistics. Something that might inform sound decision making, not just advocating for your pet concern because they are your pet concern rather than because you've looked at all the people in the population and reasonable identified that they are going to significantly benefit from this more than other groups.

Not that pet concerns are a bad thing, but there are lots of different groups vying for that status and which ones the government prioritise ought to be based on more than having lots of friends who can push them above other groups. Because when we prioritise one group for their benefit we will be making life harder for the people they are prioritised over.

Regardless, your suggestion doesn't strikes me as a clear win. Getting one group of kids vaccinated with the assumption this would prevent spread wouldn't make sending them back to school more possible. Vulnerable kids are already entitled to attend school where there are spaces. Identifying a different group of vulnerable students who are not currently entitled but still fit some definition of in need would be next to impossible to do fairly. Even if that group could be identified, there are problems in a lot of schools because there aren't enough spaces for the all the children who could qualify to go. Schools can't be expected to have different settings for a group of vaccinated kids compared to the unvaccinated keyworker and vulnerable kids they already have, they would have to fit into current capacity. And there won't be capacity until schools themselves are stable environments. For that we need enough of the at-risk-of-physical-covid-complications people in the general population to be vaccinated to make mixing less dangerous for the population and the NHS. And we get there by not prioritising other groups of people for the vaccine above the physically vulnerable.

@BoomBoomsCousin

@ allWheresmykimchi Tue 12-Jan-21 19:33:01 BoomBoomsCousin

@Wheresmykimchi

Based on the idea that the vaccine stops the spread , which is still up for debate, to get them back into school / work and get society functioning again. I wasn't aware I needed a thesis , I just have my own feelings and opinions and I've said tenfold we all see it through a different lens

Well you said, when you first suggested things other than preserving life should be considered: "I think the mental health statistics and the impact of certain professions need to have some weight here."

So yes, I thought you had some statistics. Something that might inform sound decision making, not just advocating for your pet concern because they are your pet concern rather than because you've looked at all the people in the population and reasonable identified that they are going to significantly benefit from this more than other groups.

Not that pet concerns are a bad thing, but there are lots of different groups vying for that status and which ones the government prioritise ought to be based on more than having lots of friends who can push them above other groups. Because when we prioritise one group for their benefit we will be making life harder for the people they are prioritised over.

Regardless, your suggestion doesn't strikes me as a clear win. Getting one group of kids vaccinated with the assumption this would prevent spread wouldn't make sending them back to school more possible. Vulnerable kids are already entitled to attend school where there are spaces. Identifying a different group of vulnerable students who are not currently entitled but still fit some definition of in need would be next to impossible to do fairly. Even if that group could be identified, there are problems in a lot of schools because there aren't enough spaces for the all the children who could qualify to go. Schools can't be expected to have different settings for a group of vaccinated kids compared to the unvaccinated keyworker and vulnerable kids they already have, they would have to fit into current capacity. And there won't be capacity until schools themselves are stable environments. For that we need enough of the at-risk-of-physical-covid-complications people in the general population to be vaccinated to make mixing less dangerous for the population and the NHS. And we get there by not prioritising other groups of people for the vaccine above the physically vulnerable.

Fair enough Boom , I see your point. Course I do

But I'm always going to be more passionate about my pupils I haven't seen and worry about than bus drivers in a different country. Its an emotive issue

Agree

Agree wholeheartedly

Anyone that agrees eg @Casschops @chloemol who would you personally be moving down the list in order to move teachers up? People high up the list are there because they are mostly likely to get sick, die and overwhelm the nhs.

Has anyone seen the news article on Indonesia?

I have no idea about the right approach but they are going about vaccination the other way round. Vaccinate those people going out of the house to work so they don't bring it home.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55620356

The world is one giant experiment at the moment. There will be a lot of approaches to compare in future years.

I'm guessing this approach works best in areas where there are large inter generational households living together.

And the big problem seems to be that nobody has any idea vaccination stops you carrying it to someone else.