Teachers - how much do you earn?

[coopekid]

So it's my 5th year of teaching, not in London or fringe, and I am on £27,260 and have been since Sep 19 (no across-the-board pay increase as announced last summer for me ) This - according to the NEU advisory pay points puts me somewhere between M1 and M2. Interested to hear what other Teachers are earning?

It might be worth getting this moved to the staff room board-I’m not sure it is an AIBU?!

I’ve been teaching 20+ years and on UPS3. I take home £1500 a month working 3 days a week.

The problem with part time ups staff is it can be hard to get a full time job as you are so much more expensive.

[quote ChochoCrazyCat]@NovemberR I have a degree and a Masters and I earn £25k in the private sector (creative field) after 7 years. I started on £15k. Most of my peers in my industry earn similar.
I have always thought that teachers are actually very well paid, in addition to being unionised to the hilt and benefiting from a public sector pension. Yes, they work hard and long hours, but so do most people.
They're constantly saying they're underpaid and would earn more in the private sector but that's not necessarily true- I think many don't realise how low salaries are in many industries and how hard it actually is to access the higher paid jobs in the private sector. For example the £27k graduate schemes mentioned are hugely competitive and only a minority get into them.
The average salary for my region is something like £23k. Teachers are on much more than that. They have it very good. [/quote]
Well with a degree and a Masters you are perfectly able to join them if you feel they have it very good. Presumably you prefer not to, but you sound very low paid indeed. My DD has just qualified as a nurse on your current salary.

I'm not a teacher, but I don't think they are paid excessively for the qualifications, hours and responsibility they have. You obviously feel differently.

@Chosennonesneakymincepie Can you explain the not paid for the holidays point? How does it work?

So if a role is say £40k, is the take home £40k? (Obviously less tax, pension), or is it pro-rated?

How is it different from my private sector job where I get a salary of say £40k, 25 days holiday and take home £40k?

I’m not ‘paid’ for my holidays because I don’t get a daily rate - what’s the difference?

I'm 0.4 (2 days a week) in a Greater London primary and earn £18k so full-time would be £45k.

20+ years teaching,

It works out at roughly £10 an hour ( gross)

I'm 27, in my fifth year of teaching and am on around 37k ( including TLR). I sell lessons online bringing me another 3k ish a year ( have to pay self-employment tax) and I earn around 4K marking GCSEs every summer. My quality and standard of life is great, I get 13 weeks of holidays and it's still a pleasure to teach in the classroom!

chillypenguin
I think it differs in terms of what you can e directed to do. So could you be asked to work in your holidays?
If we were laid for all those weeks we could be asked to run a summer school or school trip. Back when schools have done events like this teachers have been able to claim for extra hours worked. You wouldn't be able to be paid twice, bust as you are giving up unpaid time you can claim it. Years ago I worked on a SATs catch up programme and was paid extra.

As far as I'm aware we are paid for 5/6weeks and bank holidays like other employees. It probably would make more sense if the 40k job was advertised as 47k pro ratan but teaching jobs never are, support roles are offered this way though. I presume it might be that their is an expectation that teacher will need to work in the holidays as so much of the role is done at home and you have to use some of it to keep on top of planning/marking etc.

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There not their etc ... excuse typos

UPS2 teacher - head of department, 0.8 - 37k. Fringe area

• when I was full time head of department in Greater London, I was on 45k on UPS1.

I think you really ought to know what point you’re on, as it doesn’t sound like you do. It’s difficult for you to get angry about being on a lower point when you’ve been on it for so long - you should have been going up every year... I would have said you should be on M5 not M2, but I know in many schools this has to be fought for and it has higher expectations about what you would do (some whole school stuff/mentoring etc)

The NQT salary has gone up massively (and proportionately) this year. Someone asked pages back if subjects leads get a TLR in primaries - oh how I laughed! Sometimes but there is often not the budget. Can also be very difficult to get onto UPS. I find the disparity between secondary and primary salaries shocking to be honest - I know a Head of Art in secondary with a department of 2 people to manage earning the same as a head teacher of a small primary. Primary workload is shown by numerous studies to be higher. Never known a TLR in primary to be more than £2500 and that's rare. I don't think I'm badly paid but the difference in my salary and my secondary friends frustrates me hugely.

I'm M3 not in London and I'm paid accordingly.

OP - when you pass your appraisal do you not get a letter confirming which pay grade you've gone up to and what your new salary is?

You should know what you are on the scale, and if your salary doesn't match raise it with the head, and then the union if no joy.

13 years teaching, on mps 6 so full time would be about 36K.

Haven’t moved to UPS as I had maternity year out 8 years ago, then dropped to 2 days per week which I did for 4 years, then went up to 3 days for 2 years and have now been doing 4 days a week since beginning of last school year and just do not want to have more responsibility or more work so staying at MPS6 means I can just teach without any “extras”.

UPS 1, TLR 1b as HOD of core dept, outer London.

My pay is good - I have been at my school for 10 years and they have always looked after staff in terms of pay. Conditions are not. That's not my school's fault - that's what teacher complaints are about.

@Subordinateclause

The NQT salary has gone up massively (and proportionately) this year. Someone asked pages back if subjects leads get a TLR in primaries - oh how I laughed! Sometimes but there is often not the budget. Can also be very difficult to get onto UPS. I find the disparity between secondary and primary salaries shocking to be honest - I know a Head of Art in secondary with a department of 2 people to manage earning the same as a head teacher of a small primary. Primary workload is shown by numerous studies to be higher. Never known a TLR in primary to be more than £2500 and that's rare. I don't think I'm badly paid but the difference in my salary and my secondary friends frustrates me hugely.

This is so true!

I lead Maths in my primary school. It’s a lot of work. There is no money for additional payments, so this is just part of my usual role. I am only on a 0.6 contract.

My school are getting very good value for money, quite frankly.

OP if you are meeting all your appraisal/PM targets every cycle you should be moving up the MPS at the rate of 1 point per year as minimum. If you began in your current school as an NQT on M1 you should now be on M5 or even M6. Are you in a union? If not, join one and contact their advice line over why your school hasn't been paying you correctly!

@ILoveMyMonkey the UPS was created to recognise and reward staff with longevity and therefore valuable experience in the profession. There should be no expectation that additional duties are undertaken in order to move through threshold to UPS. I am sure you contribute to your school through your experience by sharing best practice and working collaboratively with your colleagues.

@Makingnumber2

OP if you are meeting all your appraisal/PM targets every cycle you should be moving up the MPS at the rate of 1 point per year as minimum. If you began in your current school as an NQT on M1 you should now be on M5 or even M6. Are you in a union? If not, join one and contact their advice line over why your school hasn't been paying you correctly!

Thanks @Makingnumber2 yes I am in a Union and will be making more enquiries.

Out of interest, did any Teachers here receive the average 3% pay increase as announced last year?

There are no national pay scales and no national pay agreements any more. Schools will have their own pay policy which MIGHT pay to scale and provide progression each year and then again, might not! If the school pay policy says you only progress if you ride an elephant backwards round the school , then that's what you have to do! So the first thing you need to do is check your own school pay policy and see what that says about progression before you approach your union.

@Makingnumber2
@ILoveMyMonkey the UPS was created to recognise and reward staff with longevity and therefore valuable experience in the profession. There should be no expectation that additional duties are undertaken in order to move through threshold to UPS. I am sure you contribute to your school through your experience by sharing best practice and working collaboratively with your colleagues.

Hmmm that’s interesting.
When I reached mps 6 my head at the time said as I was working only 2 days a week that I wouldn’t be able to reach the standards for going through threshold and I just took her word for it. I’ve since moved schools and they’ve always suggested that I would need to take on a lot more responsibilities to go through threshold too. I might have to do some research into this I think. Thanks.

I'm part time and got threshold, actually my lovely school encouraged me to apply. I was able to show whole school impact through my SEN work and staff training I've done.

I don't think that pt should mean you don't take on responsibility.

@dootball

Don't forget to factor in the generous pension contribution from you school too , which is currently 23%.

I also now work in private school , where I have taken small pay cut in the top of UPS, so now on around £38000. However I get free meals and 50% of my childrens school fees, which is work quite a lot currently!

Teaching many subjects there is also the opportunity for quite a bit fairly lucrative tutoring if you want to.

The pension contribution is a red herring as the Teachers Pension is not a pot of money. That 23% doesn't add anything to the benefits teachers receive, indeed it has acted as an incentive to the Private Schools to abandon the TPS and move to a cheaper (for them) scheme.

It is a smoke-and-mirrors funding trick. The Government could tell schools to each pay £1billion to the pension scheme, give the state schools that extra £1 billion each which the school would then pay back to the Government...end result the Government claims to have increased spending on schools without actually parting with a penny.

That's what UPS was supposed to be for, but let's face it, in reality it is used as a stick with which to beat many experienced teachers into taking on neverending initiatives and duties.

@contrmary

So it's my 5th year of teaching, not in London or fringe, and I am on £27,260 and have been since Sep 19

Jesus, so you were on over 27K after 3 years or so of teaching? That's way more than I thought teachers earn. Will be interesting to see if others get that much too.

Do,you really think 27k is a lot for someone who is 3 years into their job having spent 4 years at university gaining compulsory qualifications (ie actually needed for the job, not just that they have a degree.)

I actually think it's not that high when compared to other professions which require a degree and post grad qualifications.

Please remember too that from September 2021 (and already in pilot areas) NQT induction is moving from one year to two.

It means that the most common entry to the profession (3 yr Bachelor’s degree, 1 yr PGCE, 2 yr induction period) now takes five years to become fully qualified.

I left teaching to work as a TA for a while, as teaching ws incompatible with parenting at ages when my children needed more input.

As a TA I earnt far more per hour than as teacher