Teachers - how much do you earn?

[coopekid]

So it's my 5th year of teaching, not in London or fringe, and I am on £27,260 and have been since Sep 19 (no across-the-board pay increase as announced last summer for me ) This - according to the NEU advisory pay points puts me somewhere between M1 and M2. Interested to hear what other Teachers are earning?

[quote HugeAckmansWife]@contramary you sound as though you think they are overpaid? When you break it down to an hourly rate (remembering that 9 of the 13 weeks hols are enforced unpaid leave) many are on less than NMW if you account for hours spent out of the classroom on prep / marking / other associated tasks.[/quote]
So the salaries being quoted are pro rata then and just a percentage of the figures quoted? If that's the case, its not well paid.
I always thought there were contracted hours per annum and the annual pay was to cover them which would give you a great hourly rate if you just work the contracted hours - though I know many people don't just work to their hours.

After 12 years of teaching I was on £37k. I gave it up to retrain as a pharmacist.

I would imagine that if someone has 3 A levels, a degree and a year's PGCE then they could earn an awful lot more in other professions than doing a teaching job. I think the figures on how many teachers drop out in the first three years suggest that it's tough.

I wouldn't want to do it - and I'm genuinely confused that someone thinks 27k a year with all these qualifications, experience and responsibility is a lot of money. It strikes me as a lot of work to earn very little.

I'm not a teacher - but am aware that there is a massive recruitment and retention crisis. For those thinking this is great I see the government is always advertising what a fabulous job it is. The profession is always open...

This is interesting as DH would like to be a teacher but I find the scales confusing to work out if we can afford it. Are holidays deducted from that salary? Are the extra roles such as subject lead in a primary given extra salary

No & Yes

I worked out my hourly rate once, as NQT. It is a crazy busy year and it usually drops off as you get more experienced/have developed resources but not always! It was less than minimum wage at the time.

Most top end if M scale & UPS will have a TLR I think max is 10k extra.

You can easily be on 50k by early 30s & I don't think it's a bad job overall when you look at pension if you have the aptitude for it.

@rolliy

You can easily be on 50k by early 30s & I don't think it's a bad job overall when you look at pension if you have the aptitude for it.

I am in my early 30s

My friend's husband is about 40 and is a history teacher, not Head of Dept or anything extra, in Yorkshire, on £45k

@NovemberR

I would imagine that if someone has 3 A levels, a degree and a year's PGCE then they could earn an awful lot more in other professions than doing a teaching job. I think the figures on how many teachers drop out in the first three years suggest that it's tough.

I wouldn't want to do it - and I'm genuinely confused that someone thinks 27k a year with all these qualifications, experience and responsibility is a lot of money. It strikes me as a lot of work to earn very little.

I'm not a teacher - but am aware that there is a massive recruitment and retention crisis. For those thinking this is great I see the government is always advertising what a fabulous job it is. The profession is always open...

It's a myth that people with a decent degree and professional qualifications are automatically well paid in the private sector.

For every person starting as a graduate in investment banking on £50k per year in their early 20s, there are thousands upon thousands of well qualified poorly paid people in the private sector.

Have a look at the ONS figures for remuneration in the private v public sectors if you think that the private sector is a road to riches.

How are teacher salary's calculated? If you're on say £36K a year, are you actually on 36k less 13 weeks non contracted plus A/leave entitlement?
Or do you earn 36k?

36K is 36K, gross. Tax/NI is removed and it's split into 12 monthly tranches for convenience.

But the way it is worked out is taking a daily rate for your particular scale of teaching (plus responsibility points) and multiplying that by the number of class contact/ directed time days (I think that is something like 195?).

So if summer holidays were cut by a week, directed time would go up by five days to 200 days, and teachers' pay would correspondingly have to go up.

DH teaches primary - he's in his 6th or 7th year and is a classroom teacher (not KS lead or subject lead). He's on £34-35K IIRC. We are not london based.

Just under £45k, UPS 3 TLR2 Yorkshire

Primary

How can you compare lfl. There are secondary teachers, primary, private, state, teachers of in demand subjects, science teachers (under supplied), length of service, London, outer London, north, south, high performing, failing etc. It’s so hard to get a reasonable comparable on a forum like this.

I do think teaching is shockingly badly paid for the level of work required and quite frankly don’t know how people do it.

@GinandGingerBeer

How are teacher salary's calculated? If you're on say £36K a year, are you actually on 36k less 13 weeks non contracted plus A/leave entitlement? Or do you earn 36k?

No you earn £36k and it’s spread over 12 months.

Isn't it supposed to work like NHS scales, where you go up a point each year, providing you're not considered to be satisfactory?

So you'd start on M1 and after a year, M2, then M3 etc etc. Plus any high cost area or additional responsibility payments?

Or does it not work like that? Have you discussed this with colleagues, your manager and your union OP?

not unsatisfactory, that is.

I earn just over £50k- top of main pay scale with a number whole school school responsibilities. I started as nqt in 2007.

@BarbaraofSeville

Isn't it supposed to work like NHS scales, where you go up a point each year, providing you're not considered to be satisfactory?

Theoretically yes and historically yes.

However, heads have the discretion to jump you up the pay scale, so if they really wanted to employ someone who was currently on MP2 then could offer them to start at MP4.

You also have pay related targets; which if you don’t hit you won’t get moved up the pay scale

I've never not gone up pay scale each appraisal cycle, until I reached the top that it.

The government changed the payscales last year. There used to be 11 points on the MPS and teachers climbed up (generally) at a rate of a point a year as long as they were performing well.

Now they've changed it to 6 points and you go up half a point a year so someone on M2 could be in their 5th year of teaching. Goodness knows why they changed it!

@sluj
Your thoughts were correct teaches wages are spread out over the year. They aren't pro rata.

OP if you were a nurse £27K is about right after being qualified for 5 years.

@contrmary

So it's my 5th year of teaching, not in London or fringe, and I am on £27,260 and have been since Sep 19

Jesus, so you were on over 27K after 3 years or so of teaching? That's way more than I thought teachers earn. Will be interesting to see if others get that much too.

Teaching is a graduate profession, the vast majority having postgraduate qualifications, and you think teachers earn way less than 27k three years post-qualification?