To be shocked at how normal everything looks in New Zealand?

[GoldenLabbie]

Huge crowds seeing the New Year. No masks, no social distancing. You wouldn’t know that the rest of the world is in the grip of a pandemic looking at those scenes. How did we manage to get it so wrong but they got it so right? When you look at that you realise how the rest have screwed up so badly don’t you? I wonder what they make of all?

@nolongersurprised no boris never said that newspapers did

@nolongersurprised again no one said nz hadn't done well just ots very different to uk as is australia
We had cases here before we even knew with ski trips to italy and other european places etc in feb school half term
Like i said who are nz or australia connected to by road and rail ?

You can't seem to grasp that and how closely europe is intwined with travel and imports and exports connected by rd , air and sea forget eu part , uk is and always will be part of europe

And people can't seem to grasp that NZ and Australia are still receiving goods, it is travellers who have to go into quarantine. Also, I'm struggling to understand just why so many people are wanting to travel to the UK for a holiday at present?? All this "we can't do this, and we can't do that" - actually, you can, it's more that you don't want to (by 'you' I mean the government of course).

I’m pretty sure there is actual footage of Boris taking about a herd immunity approach, those words.

You stated that uk is pinning all its hopes or similar on a vaccine which pretty much all are in order to get back to normal , your twisting how it was portrayed

No I haven’t. You’re making stuff up again. Where have I said that? I also can’t prove that I haven’t posted it, hmjust told make that clear.

nolongersurprised the person can read the posts and also what post of yours it was in response to and your not even in nz

Actually, you were responding to kiwi09, not me. Maybe you’re the one who should do a reread, you’re getting confused. I have a strong affiliation with Kiwi posters .

@eaglejulesk most of europes freight comes via rd and rail and visitor numbers are very low
Did you not see the panic that arose when france shut borders to the uk for 24 hrs and the delays this caused. We have nearly 70 million to feed etc on a small island and we import and export a fair amount between eu countries and alot via road and rail , lorries have to be driven

@NotBadConsidering

Ah -Google is a wonder!!!
Because it doesn’t actually matter. Cities like Auckland, Sydney, Melbourne are as densely populated as anywhere else.

Auckland - area 1086 square Km
London - area 1572 square Km

Auckland population 1.657 million
London population 8.982 million

I rest my case.

Auckland - area 1086 square Km
London - area 1572 square Km

Auckland population 1.657 million
London population 8.982 million

What case?

You’re saying Auckland has a magic COVID shield, and if it had got in, it wouldn’t have swept through?

@Schehezarade your wasting your time because they cannot see the difference or how being part if europe also makes things harder
No one is saying we have done great just that we could never of pulled it off like nz due to various factors like many believe but apoarently according to a few its because we all break the rules as well

That doesn’t rest your case. So London is more densely populated than Auckland, twice as much. 2400/km2 for Auckland, London 5660/km2. So Auckland should have around half as many cases per head of population right? But it doesn’t.

And Seoul has a population density of 16000/km2.

That’s not a typo. That’s 16000. So why doesn’t Seoul have 3 times as many cases as London?

@TheOneLeggedJockey but it was rife in london probably in feb , too late to shut borders although we had barely any arrivals march to june looking at graphs
Australia and nz shut borders whilst numbers were low , we had missed that boat and the who did advise that shutting borders wasn't needed for some time , not sure when that advice changed

Then how did Singapore do it??

NZ and Singapore worked together during those 1st few months. With Thailand as well. We all followed the same principals..

2nd most density city in the world?

2019 estimate
5,703,600
• Density
7,804/km2 (20,212.3/sq mi)

Stop comparing countries that are not alike
Population size doesn't make a country alike
You haven't once compared uk to spain or italy or france who we have much more in common with
If you compare some they have done better than australia as well

Schehezarade
Auckland - area 1086 square Km
London - area 1572 square Km

But you’ve just picked Auckland. What about Melbourne and Sydney? Are you cherry-picking or is the population density the same as Auckland?

Auckland also has a population at very high risk for covid mortality. Now that you’ve acknowledged it’s not all sheep, it’s certainly populated enough to have had a devastating impact.

I wouldn't dispute that the UK Gov made poor decisions but we were at the end of 4 years of unprecedented bickering and dispute over Brexit - at last Boris was supposedly 'getting it done' and eyes were not on the ball in regards to the pandemic. In normal circumstances Boris wouldn't even have got to be PM, he is seriously lacking in ability, but people wanted Brexit sorted. Then the fall out within the Tories mean few decent people were available to step up in the emergency.
This doesn't excuse rubbish leadership and decision making but Brexit and 10 years austerity meant gov and everyone else (journalists etc) wasn't interested particularly about a outbreak of highly infectious flu in China.

Better off to think about travel hub such as NYC and compare to London

High proportion of people arriving daily and dispersing

Very early on this would have seeded many asymptomatic cases. Then think about where they go next - by public transport to location.

Very, very quickly contact tracing becomes very difficult. Someone on the tube is far harder than a if it begins in a school

That is also a big difference. Shutting the borders early to get on top of the cases and trace an track. The UK borders was always half open anyway.. they never closed it off as Auz, NZ, Singapore etc. I mean Changi airport only have 2% of their normal travellers going through the airport now. Heathrow alone has what %?

There’s a kind of thinking that since we are closer culturally to Aus / NZ that they can be compared

They can’t. At least stick to Germany, France, Italy, NYC

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

Stop comparing countries that are not alike Population size doesn't make a country alike You haven't once compared uk to spain or italy or france who we have much more in common with If you compare some they have done better than australia as well

The UK has had 10,000 more deaths than France. 25000 more deaths than Spain.

The only European country comparable to the UK is Italy, and it’s quite simple to say they have also failed where others have succeeded.

The arrogant belief from the UK government that they couldn’t possibly close off the UK to non-essential travel was a huge mistake.

The other comparison between London and NYC is a national leader who completely failed to even try to deal with it.

Could compare with Tokyo, or Melbourne, or Berlin.

The arrogant belief from the UK government that they couldn’t possibly close off the UK to non-essential travel was a huge mistake

I think it was more a desire to keep the economy going - but that's just my view, I'm not a close friend of the gov!

@inquietant

The other comparison between London and NYC is a national leader who completely failed to even try to deal with it.

Could compare with Tokyo, or Melbourne, or Berlin.

Melbourne?! Have you been there

It’s not comparative

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

The first cases of covid in NZ came from Italy in February so being far away from Europe didn’t really help, but a huge number of our cases have come from the UK, which perhaps why kiwis are focused on what’s happening in the UK and this is more a UK based forum so perhaps why the UK is the focus.
I’m not trying to pick in the UK. I’m equally horrified by what’s going on in the US! But the UK situation gets a lot of air time here and it’s horrifying to watch when it affects friends and family.
Things like this just should be happening twitter.com/mbklee_/status/1344795588039208961?s=21
www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

[quote Kiwi09]@donewithitalltodayandxmas

The first cases of covid in NZ came from Italy in February so being far away from Europe didn’t really help, but a huge number of our cases have come from the UK, which perhaps why kiwis are focused on what’s happening in the UK and this is more a UK based forum so perhaps why the UK is the focus.
I’m not trying to pick in the UK. I’m equally horrified by what’s going on in the US! But the UK situation gets a lot of air time here and it’s horrifying to watch when it affects friends and family.
Things like this just should be happening twitter.com/mbklee_/status/1344795588039208961?s=21
www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html[/quote]
Do you have figures for first cases? You kept them very low if Feb. You were 105 on lockdown

@Schehezarade

The arrogant belief from the UK government that they couldn’t possibly close off the UK to non-essential travel was a huge mistake

I think it was more a desire to keep the economy going - but that's just my view, I'm not a close friend of the gov!

Which was a mistake, because the UK’s GDP has fallen more compared to countries that took a tough stance early on. As as recommended by economists.