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Shr1881 · 28/12/2020 01:05

This situation is genuinely upsetting me quite a lot and I’m just hoping for some advice on how to let this wash over me. (Not really looking for advice on what I can actively do about it as I’ve been there and done that and absolutely nothing changes).

One of our next door neighbours is awful. We are all in detached houses but bizarrely the gardens are fairly narrow and so we are quite close together. They have two dogs and during the spring and summer months they let them in the garden for hours at a time to bark and bark and bark. It’s not even like the dogs are trying to get back in the house, because the people that live there are out in the garden with them at the same time, you can hear them winding the dogs up which of course makes them even worse. They have I think 3 or 4 kids who scream and scream when in the garden. I have no issue with listening to kids play and have fun but this screaming goes through you. It can be for most of the day when the weather is hot and sunny.

They are the kind of people who only have to have the slightest sniff of sun to be out in the garden chatting to each other, or on their phones. That in itself is of course not a problem but the volume they talk at is absolutely ridiculous, often it is so loud it sounds as if they are arguing with each other but “much” of the time it is just the way they talk, and the disgusting language it’s quite embarrassing to listen to sometimes. (And yes it is frequently in front of the kids as I’ve heard them out there at the same time). Well - I say “much” of the time they are not arguing - However I would say a couple of times a month they have a blazing row in the back garden for all to hear.

The vast majority of these problems calm down in the winter months when they are indoors. My mental health has deteriorated quite badly during the 7 years we’ve lived here, directly related to living next door to these people. It is as if as soon as the spring weather arrives it gets really bad and then I find myself counting down the days until autumn and winter because I know it’s going to calm down again.

They are most certainly not approachable types however the year before last I did finally find the courage inside me to approach them over the fence, I was literally shaking as I was talking to her, it had taken me a long time to pluck the courage up to do this. At that particular time the main issue was the dog barking driving us absolutely insane. DH and I work all kinds of weird and wonderful shift patterns and I tried to explain this to her and how it was disrupting us (One evening last July I very embarrassingly fell asleep at my desk at work!). I didn’t expect her to take me seriously and she kind of shrugged her shoulders and said “well we have a very up-and-down relationship and family life is crazy isn’t it” then she walked off. Something along those lines anyway. I didn’t say anything to her about the screaming from the kids because I didn’t know whether I was overreacting or not, but as it happened, the summer before last I had some friends to stay and they both commented on how noisy the kids were - One of the friends is a primary teacher and she said she had never heard anything like it before. So I guess it clarified for me that I am not overreacting lol.

DH and I are going to be putting the house on the market next year but of course with the virus and Brexit nobody knows when this will be or how long it will take to sell.

What I am really wanting are some techniques to be able to block all of this out. Literally all I want is to not be so miserable about it but I don’t know how!

I have spoken to our local environmental health department just for some advice and they told me to try and speak to the neighbours in a friendly manner first which I have done, The next step would be a formal complaint but I do not want to go down that road especially with selling the house because I would have to declare it and I can tell that our neighbours are the sort of people it would not be difficult to fall out with and I absolutely do not want to do that at all. So I am not going to be making a formal complaint.

My mental health in the spring and summer months has got to the stage where the GP has prescribed medication which I have yet to take, but before I go down that road I would like to know if there are any other coping techniques people can recommend until we move? I think that the very fact I am posting this over Christmas and already dreading the spring is a reflection of how much it affects my life.

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DishingOutDone · 28/12/2020 01:10

This is indeed an awful situation and I can imagine how this has affected you. Is it quiet now OP? In which case get to bed ASAP then bump this in the morning and someone will be along with sensible advice.

CoRhona · 28/12/2020 01:16

Why have you not tried the medication to help you get through it? Genuinely interested.

Shr1881 · 28/12/2020 01:19

@CoRhona

Why have you not tried the medication to help you get through it? Genuinely interested.
Good question - I suppose I’m scared of the side-effects. I need to be able to drive to work and perform my job effectively. There’s also a small part of me that feels angry that selfish people have driven me to the point of needing medication!
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PerfidiousAlbion · 28/12/2020 01:22

Outside: ear defenders

Inside: ear buds and white noise

Sell your house to an equally loud family. Get it on the market NOW.

RAOK · 28/12/2020 01:22

I would try the medication in the short term. Have you got all of the other neighbours on board?

grassisjeweled · 28/12/2020 01:24

Just sell it and get rid. It's not worth your mental health

grassisjeweled · 28/12/2020 01:25

It's a perfect time to sell, whilst they're quiet and indoors. And say it's because of covid you have to move to be near elderly parents.

Littlewhitedove2 · 28/12/2020 01:25

Put your house on the market. Don’t worry about covid or brexit. Make a pact with yourself to phone the estate agent on 4th January and do it. You never know, it could sell quickly and if it takes a while at least you are making positive steps!!

TaraR2020 · 28/12/2020 01:28

I'm sorry for you @Shr1881 and I hope you're able to move house quickly in spite of the pandemic, etc.

I have lived in with similar neighbours and it's a nightmare. Luckily there was a room I could shut myself in which muffled the worst of the noise,though I did resent the constriction and that I couldn't also enjoy the garden.

Have you tried meditation? Give it a go and stick with it daily, as with any new habit it needs time to develop.

I'd also suggest a distracting sound - calming music or nature sounds, played into headphones that you can wear about the house. Perhaps noise cancelling headphones?

Depending on the Tier you're in and whether the nature of your work would make this possible, I'd consider if you can find a workspace away from the house for a time each week (even if just half a day), where you can work peacefully and away from the racket. In non covid times, I'd suggest a library or cafe but there have been some communal workspaces popping up across the UK.

If not appropriate now, maybe they will be in a couple of months if you're still waiting to sell.

Have you formed a support bubble with another household? I wonder if they'd let you work from their 1 day a week. Or perhaps if your office is otherwise empty and nearby you could work from there?

If other working environments aren't a possibility, I hope you're able to get out for a walk during the day so that you can get away from the noise and give yourself a break. If you can but not doing so, then I recommend it.

In the warmer months, you could also take a book or activity to do outside elsewhere- ie local park or beauty spot - or a picnic lunch (or dinner or breakfast) so you can enjoy peace in your leisure time. Just to be able to sit and enjoy the view, the peace. Soak up as much nature as you can - pay attention to the world around you when you go for walks (mindfulness/ forest bathing).

I wouldn't be too scared of accepting medical help if your gp thinks it's warranted- whatever helps you get through this time. You could also enquire about CBT as they could help you manage the associated anxiety and give you techniques for dealing with the noise pollution.

Keep focused on improving your general health in all other ways - healthy diet, fresh air, daylight, vitamins, exercise and - most importantly - good sleep are essential and even the small things make a difference.

Wishing you the best and I hope this is of some help!

SheldonesqueIsUnwell · 28/12/2020 01:29

Noise cancelling headphones.

They have saved my sanity.

Shr1881 · 28/12/2020 01:36

Thank you for all the replies I really do appreciate it! Thank you for being so nice to me too, it is a very difficult situation.
I’m trying to go through the whole process in my head of putting the house on the market, DH and I have spoken about this at length over the last few months, we have got ourselves into a relatively good financial position this year, no debts apart from our mortgage but not a huge amount in savings right now, and so we do need to save up a bit for the costs of moving. We’ve put a very do-able plan in place for this in the coming months, so that’s great. So as a much as I would absolutely love to be able to phone up the estate agents on the 4th of Jan and get things moving, I can’t really.. but we DO have a way forward, which is the main thing!! I am going to try and focus on this when things inevitably start up again next door in the spring. It probably sounds if I am being unnecessarily negative but all these years here I have become to know the pattern of when it gets bad.

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snappyoldfart · 28/12/2020 01:37

On the market ASAP, I've been in your situation twice with annoying and rude neighbours, it's draining and heartbreaking to have your safe space and home destroyed, there is a feeling of being out of control and on edge permanently.

Don't make the official complaint, you'll have to declare that.

sneakysnoopysniper · 28/12/2020 01:40

So sorry to hear of your situation. I had a bad neighbour who played bang bang music all day and night. In the end i had to move.

I would second the advice to try to move NOW while things are quieter and since you have had not actual disagreement with your neighbour you dont have to declare it. I would sell to the biggest and most noisy family you can find - someone who plays BOOM BOOM music in the garden so your neighbours get their comuppance.

When you are showing the house if you get the impression the viewers are "loud musical" types exmphasize how friendly and lively the area is and what a great bunch of kids live next door.

grassisjeweled · 28/12/2020 01:48

Also bear in mind your neighbours sound like the type to really 'make up' for all the lost outdoor party time that they will have lost due to covid - so that'll mean an extra loud summer of 2021.

I'd consider getting into debt to pay for your moving costs. Just get it on the market ASAP.

BlackeyedSusan · 28/12/2020 01:54

Noise cancelling headphones are supposed to be very good.

Staffy1 · 28/12/2020 02:04

I've been in a similar situation with neighbours. My advice is move as soon as possible and try and show the house in the colder months so they are not effing and blinding in the garden when people are viewing it. As for blocking out all the noise, I used to go out as much as possible and play Marilyn Manson at top volume which did drown out their noise (but not so practical for you if you are there trying to sleep between shifts).

Sisiwawa · 28/12/2020 02:05

I agree you should put it on the market asap. It may take a few months to sell, giving you time to save up. Or borrow a little now to cover moving costs and repay out of the equity. You could be out of there by Easter and enjoying a quiet summer in your new home! Good luck x

Sisiwawa · 28/12/2020 02:06

Don't put a 'For Sale' sign up outside, just in case!

Gremlinsateit · 28/12/2020 02:15

Over the next couple of weeks before you put it on the market, are you able to add acoustic insulation to any ceiling spaces or wall cavities? We just did our roof space and the difference is very noticeable. If not, or as well, add more rugs and cushions indoors. It might help with the sale if your house seems generally quiet indoors.

CelestrialWarrior · 28/12/2020 02:30

Yabu, they are in there own garden ffs, I suggest you get help for your anxiety because neighbours out in there garden should not cause you to be like this.

PerveenMistry · 28/12/2020 03:33

Bo real advice, but I live next to a horrible, obnoxious family as you describe and it's extremely disheartening. I too dread spring and the school holidays.

Music source in the window. Window coverings. In warm weather a box fan in the window so the whir of the blades acts as white noise but I still get fresh air.

CBT might be helpful. Or guided meditations. Venting to friends, but they get weary of listening. I got some Bluetooth speakers shaped like rocks and put in my garden playing jazz, classic rock etc to drown them out. Have contemplated playing barking dog sounds, gangsta rap or 50 Shades of Grey.

Putting wifi video cameras that record to a smartphone app in the windows facing them made the woman self conscious and enraged the man and they did move the basketball hoop out of camera range. It seemed to intimidate them and at least I have plenty of proof. Obviously standing up for myself in that way also further eroded relationship. We ignore one another in passing.

I fantasize about moving.

lovelemoncurd · 28/12/2020 03:48

Having lived next door to neighbours like this who actively ended up victimising me because I complained I would say the only way to resolve it is to move house ASAP. We live next door to great neighbours now. One set do make a little noise but somehow it never bothers me. It's how we frame it I guess. If you start to perceive the noise negatively then it erodes your mental health. I listen to me new neighbours and because I get on well with them I perceive it positively so it doesn't.

You could try really getting to know them and see how you feel. This was a complete non starter with my last house because she was a nightmare of a woman.

Rainbowqueeen · 28/12/2020 04:25

I’d also put it on the market ASAP. It may take some time to sell and will motivate you to save the moving cost money. Even if you don’t save it all, you could always put the balance on a zero interest credit card.

Good luck

Bloodybridget · 28/12/2020 04:40

Don't wait to put your house on the market - it sounds like as soon as the weather warms up, the racket will start again and that will definitely affect your chances of selling, then you'll have another miserable summer. Even if you have to move to a smaller house or slightly worse area, wouldn't that be better than carrying on like this?
To the pp who said it shouldn't bother you, work on your anxiety - you're pretty unusual if the sound of dogs barking, children screaming and adults talking loudly or rowing, at close quarters, day after day, would be quite ok for you.

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 28/12/2020 04:46

If there’s a record that you’ve spoken to Environmental Health - even informally - you may be on slightly slippery ground for your sale. Tread carefully.