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To ask for advice on how to deal with this horrendous situation

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Shr1881 · 28/12/2020 01:05

This situation is genuinely upsetting me quite a lot and I’m just hoping for some advice on how to let this wash over me. (Not really looking for advice on what I can actively do about it as I’ve been there and done that and absolutely nothing changes).

One of our next door neighbours is awful. We are all in detached houses but bizarrely the gardens are fairly narrow and so we are quite close together. They have two dogs and during the spring and summer months they let them in the garden for hours at a time to bark and bark and bark. It’s not even like the dogs are trying to get back in the house, because the people that live there are out in the garden with them at the same time, you can hear them winding the dogs up which of course makes them even worse. They have I think 3 or 4 kids who scream and scream when in the garden. I have no issue with listening to kids play and have fun but this screaming goes through you. It can be for most of the day when the weather is hot and sunny.

They are the kind of people who only have to have the slightest sniff of sun to be out in the garden chatting to each other, or on their phones. That in itself is of course not a problem but the volume they talk at is absolutely ridiculous, often it is so loud it sounds as if they are arguing with each other but “much” of the time it is just the way they talk, and the disgusting language it’s quite embarrassing to listen to sometimes. (And yes it is frequently in front of the kids as I’ve heard them out there at the same time). Well - I say “much” of the time they are not arguing - However I would say a couple of times a month they have a blazing row in the back garden for all to hear.

The vast majority of these problems calm down in the winter months when they are indoors. My mental health has deteriorated quite badly during the 7 years we’ve lived here, directly related to living next door to these people. It is as if as soon as the spring weather arrives it gets really bad and then I find myself counting down the days until autumn and winter because I know it’s going to calm down again.

They are most certainly not approachable types however the year before last I did finally find the courage inside me to approach them over the fence, I was literally shaking as I was talking to her, it had taken me a long time to pluck the courage up to do this. At that particular time the main issue was the dog barking driving us absolutely insane. DH and I work all kinds of weird and wonderful shift patterns and I tried to explain this to her and how it was disrupting us (One evening last July I very embarrassingly fell asleep at my desk at work!). I didn’t expect her to take me seriously and she kind of shrugged her shoulders and said “well we have a very up-and-down relationship and family life is crazy isn’t it” then she walked off. Something along those lines anyway. I didn’t say anything to her about the screaming from the kids because I didn’t know whether I was overreacting or not, but as it happened, the summer before last I had some friends to stay and they both commented on how noisy the kids were - One of the friends is a primary teacher and she said she had never heard anything like it before. So I guess it clarified for me that I am not overreacting lol.

DH and I are going to be putting the house on the market next year but of course with the virus and Brexit nobody knows when this will be or how long it will take to sell.

What I am really wanting are some techniques to be able to block all of this out. Literally all I want is to not be so miserable about it but I don’t know how!

I have spoken to our local environmental health department just for some advice and they told me to try and speak to the neighbours in a friendly manner first which I have done, The next step would be a formal complaint but I do not want to go down that road especially with selling the house because I would have to declare it and I can tell that our neighbours are the sort of people it would not be difficult to fall out with and I absolutely do not want to do that at all. So I am not going to be making a formal complaint.

My mental health in the spring and summer months has got to the stage where the GP has prescribed medication which I have yet to take, but before I go down that road I would like to know if there are any other coping techniques people can recommend until we move? I think that the very fact I am posting this over Christmas and already dreading the spring is a reflection of how much it affects my life.

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213Milne · 28/12/2020 05:40

Don't worry about the environmental health thing - people get all wound up thinking it's some kind of heavily investigative influence on that box you tick on the document. It's not. An informal call is not going to change anything.

NearlyTheHolidays2 · 28/12/2020 05:56

These are my suggestions

  1. Get your house on the market
  2. Noise cancelling headphones
  3. Find some positive thoughts about your neighbours and their noise to get you through the time until you can move. I know this is tough but I promise it will help. (Even if it's just gratitude that the children / dogs aren't yours!)
  4. Befriend the family. Think about what their needs are and how you can help (but be strong with your boundaries) - this will also help with your mental health towards them too. Perhaps buy Usborne colouring books as a February half term present for the children - calming activities they'll enjoy and will make a more peaceful household as well as improving relationships. Perhaps origami paper and instructions for the Easter school holidays (depending on ages).
  5. Take the medication.

Good luck OP.

Nonameslob · 28/12/2020 05:56

@celestialwarrior it's not just talking and playing in their garden though is it. They are shouting, kids screaming and dogs barking all summer. That's not a reasonable amount of noise. When my dog barks it drives me nuts so I don't expect my neighbours to put up with it. Excessive noise is known to cause stress and anxiety.

custardbear · 28/12/2020 06:00

Just sell and move on. Practice what you'll say to potential buyers ' family on that side and xxxx on the other side' ... noise you ask... just normal family type noises but thankfully we're detached so we don't hear neighbours in their houses .... that sort of thing
Good luck, don't delay it sounds like you need to move

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 28/12/2020 06:12

Yabu, they are in there own garden ffs, I suggest you get help for your anxiety because neighbours out in there garden should not cause you to be like this

Are you the horrible neighbour? If so, stfu, control your dog, stop shouting and swearing and have a bit of consideration for others.

FortunesFave · 28/12/2020 06:23

I'd buy an air horn and a rape alarm and every single time they were out shouting in the garden, I would put on some ear defenders and turn them on...directed over their fence.

I honestly would. I don't give a shit about selfish people like this...who cares if they fall out with you?

If they say "What do you think you're doing!?" then you say "Just matching your racket! Isn't it lovely!? What a nice day for it....I really enjoy being in the garden with my air horn and my rape alarm!"

TW2013 · 28/12/2020 06:37

Sell ASAP, it will take a few months for it to go through in which time you can save. You could agree to go into rented if the buyers want to be in before stamp duty deadline It is just not worth it to hang on longer and yes maybe try to sell to a family like them if there is a choice. It doesn't sound as if the family are particularly aware of your hatred for them so now is a good time to sell. Another family might get on well with them.

AppleJane · 28/12/2020 07:04

@FortunesFave

I'd buy an air horn and a rape alarm and every single time they were out shouting in the garden, I would put on some ear defenders and turn them on...directed over their fence.

I honestly would. I don't give a shit about selfish people like this...who cares if they fall out with you?

If they say "What do you think you're doing!?" then you say "Just matching your racket! Isn't it lovely!? What a nice day for it....I really enjoy being in the garden with my air horn and my rape alarm!"

This! Talking does not work with selfish people. You have to show not tell.

Nomorepies · 28/12/2020 07:05

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GnomeDePlume · 28/12/2020 07:35

I second the 'get your house on the market suggestions. Dd1 bought and moved into her first home during the first lockdown, it can be done.

They are thoughtless people so a For Sale board up will have no effect on them either way.

Also knowing that this situation will be coming to an end may also help your mental health.

ivykaty44 · 28/12/2020 07:40

I would seriously think about using ear plugs and then noise cancelling head phones

Put the house on the market in January and hopefully it’ll sell before April

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 28/12/2020 07:50

Why wait until they are going to be noisy to try to sell ? Don’t you think people will notice when they are viewing the house?

hallygore · 28/12/2020 07:54

Why do people think its OK to let their kids scream. It drives me absolutely insane. I've got 4 kids, if they scream, they go inside, no ifs, no buts. If the dog barks, she comes back inside.

lockeddownandcrazy · 28/12/2020 07:54

So you have spoken to them with no result, next stage is a formal option and your don't want to do that because of selling.
You have meds to help you but you wont take them?

I'd sell, and rent somewhere if you need to, but when you buy your new house make sure its well soundproofed if you work shifts, and in the mean time by some earplugs.

Dundundunnn · 28/12/2020 07:55

YABU to try and sell your house to an unwitting family and NOT declare the issues with neighbours.
Do you really wish that hell on someone else who would be paying for the luxury? That's shitty.

Sunnydayhere · 28/12/2020 07:58

Outdoor diy can be quite noisy and would drown out shouting screaming etc.

Tuning a car or motorbike engine would also drown others out.

As others have mentioned formal complaints leave a trail that could make a house sale difficult.

NoSquirrels · 28/12/2020 07:58

If you don’t put it on the market now, you’ll need to wait til about September/October. That’s probably best, so it’s just this summer.

Ear defenders, white noise, go out as much as you can. Poor you. One more year, that’s all.

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 28/12/2020 08:09

Not sure where you are, OP, and how much your house is worth but the Stamp Duty holiday is supposed to come to the end in March.

That means that people are very keen to buy at the moment.
Get the house on the market!

Interestingly, my Rightmove notifications show some houses going on the market on the 26th December...

Confusedandshaken · 28/12/2020 08:09

They actually don't sound too bad to me. I grew up in terraced housing and have learned to tune neighbour noise out. I think a lot of people could live with the noise levels you describe and not even notice it but that's not really relevant. It's significantly impacting your life so you need to move ASAP.

As PP have said, absolutely don't complain or say anything else to them. Then you'd have to declare it as a dispute when you sell and that might scare prospective purchasers off.

Make sure you research your next house properly - park outside at different times of the day and listen to the levels of background/traffic/neighbour noise. Don't jump out of the frying pan and into the fire!

In the meantime, treat yourself to a set of WiFi earbuds with a background noise cancelling function and go about your life with some chill out music playing.

SavoyCabbage · 28/12/2020 08:14

Just sell your house as soon as you can. Forget Brexit and COVID. Just move.

Don't use rape alarms to antagonise people, that's madness. You will never be able to sell it then. And these people aren't trying to annoy the OP. They are just inconsiderate oafs. Imagine what they could do if there was a noise war.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 28/12/2020 08:15

Definitely try sell now (in winter/ early spring). And then I would rent temporarily for a couple months so that you can check before buying your next house that in the summer months your new prospective neighbours aren’t equally as noisy.

Cyberworrier · 28/12/2020 08:15

Some really good advice. I had nightmare neighbours and had to sell after a very short time in my last place. I ended up sleeping in the living room as it was further away from the noise and never used the garden as I was so anxious in it as the neighbours were very intimidating. It must be awful for you with COVID, as my other advice would otherwise be to go out or stay with friends as much as possible which obviously you can’t do. I recommend radio 4/ something neutral on pretty much all the time, a fan or a dehumidifier for more white noise, ear plugs in. And definitely get in on the market as soon as possible. Good luck.

notanothertakeaway · 28/12/2020 08:18

As others have said, get the house in the market asap

And remember, there are two sides of a story. If your neighbour posted that they have dogs, kids play in the garden, enjoy sitting in the garden in warm weather, I expect MN might be sympathetic to them

lazylump72 · 28/12/2020 08:25

OP you have nothing but my sympathies.it is dreadful that you need to live like this.My only advice would be to get your house for sale like of yesterday.The housing market round us anyway is really strong and if you can get in now before the lighter nights and spring comes then you can be gone and done and dusted,hopefully too before you are showing buyers round who may have to experience next door! Terrible suggestion I know but if it lets you live more than simply existing it will be worth it. I don;t obviously know your financial situation but maybe cold you look at renting somewhere short term and just getting out and putting tenents in yours tiil its sold? would that be viable? legal? I dont now just might be worth invesigating if you want to move quickly? I rent so dont now the rules applying to home ownership at all. I wouldnt bother confronting anymore or even trying you will get nowhere just concentrate on getting out yourself I think is the best bet.

LH1987 · 28/12/2020 08:28

Mindfulness is very useful, I think. There are a lot of useful videos on YouTube.

Ultimately, there is nothing you can do so you must block out the noise, I think mindfulness might help.

Have you considered using wireless noise cancelling headphones. You could walk around listening to whale sounds etc and block the noise out.

Sorry, sounds horrid.

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